First off I know this has been talked about a lot, but seriously.
Secondly I am a HUGE DT fan.
Idris Elba is PERFECT for Roland. He is an amazing actor.
I don't understand why anyone would get angry over his casting.
Confused I get, even to be skeptical too. I just don't see any reason for all the hate. At least wait and see some production photos or something so we can get a better idea of what kind of film they are making.
Only you get called a hypocrite, because you are the only one actually seen arguing against race change on another board after doing nothing but argue that race isn't important on this board and showing how much of a double standard you are pushing. Of course it wouldn't be surprising if most if the defenders of Roland's casting had the same hypocritical attitude towards race changing as you.
He's getting hate because he's so obviously wrong for the role, purely a PC publicity stunt so they could get attention for the film and then get more attention by playing the racism card when anyone disagreed (as Goldsman did immediately). Roland is basically described as looking like the man with no name, frequently described as long, tall and ugly. Oh and let's not forget that is called a number of racial slurs by Detta because he's white.
I'd love for you to explain how he is perfect for the role in any way.
hey, thanks for the reply. Please read my reply to Roolfer for a better idea of my opinion on his casting. But i've gotta say Spider, when you use terms like "PC" and "publicity stunt" it tells me that not only do you rush to stereotypical conclusions but you also either just don't like Idris, which is reasonable, or you're hating the decision for some other reason. Anyway, im not trying to argue or anything. I know that you're very outspoken on this board and I respect that.
Look nfiz, the people that are really angry about this film are the people that spent the time to read the books and loved the story. Elba is a great actor, I agree, but he is just as bad a casting as say John Goodman, or Christopher Walkin, or Angelina Jolie. He just is not Roland. Maybe the movie won't suck, but it WILL NOT be the Dark Towers we read. That's what people wanted and that is not what they are going to get. Look at the casting board already. I don't recognize half the names of the characters in the film.
Yes, exactly, bigspicy93 has put it perfectly. I'm not a huge Idris Elba fan, he's ok, but I was furious hearing he'd be Roland, because he's just not Roland.
And it's not just him, I also have no idea who some of the characters on the cast list are, and I've read those books over and over.
As I said before, almost all Stephen King's work is BUTCHERED when it goes to the screen (with a few exceptions). Idris Elba is totally wrong for the part, but it won't be just his fault. This whole thing looks like it will be painful for hardcore fans of the novels to watch.
But isn't that always the case with film adaptations? The only book I've ever read that was worse than its film adaptation was Mario Puzo's The Godfather. That movie was WAY better than the book.
Anyway, yeah I totally agree, Elba's not bad, he's just not Roland.
I've been reading the books since about 1990 and have invested a lot of time into the story both in waiting between books and re-reading, and thinking about what would comprise a good movie.
Yet I feel no anger about the casting decision. Mayhap thee has a bit of an anger management issue...?
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When you read the Dark Tower books, what did Roland look like in your mind's eye? There were plenty of descriptions in the books (and illustrations in some versions/sources) to help you along. To say Idris Elba is 'PERFECT' for Roland, this image you had must have been at least something like Idris Elba. How did you manage this? - I'm curious.
hey thanks for the reply. I just think that Idris will be able to portray Roland's personality very well. I'f you've seen his performances in the Wire, Luther, & Beast of No Nation it shows that he possesses a remarkable range of talent. Also, idk why we should be so hung up on the race aspect. At least i dont see how it could be detrimental to the film. But like i said we'll have to wait until they show us more of the film.
I've seen Idris in The Wire, Luther, Pacific Rim and Prometheus. Some of his performances were better than others, but he's certainly no mug.
So, like me, he looks nothing like Roland did in your mind's eye? To me, and thousands of others, that makes it bad casting, hence the Elba 'hate' (by which you mean criticism of his casting).
I don't see it as a race thing. I'd say Warwick Davis, Stephen Merchant, (example young guy), (example old guy), (example fat guy)* would all be bad casting too, for the same reason. They can't play the character as described. Would you understand the outrage if any of those people had been cast? Try to imagine it.
*I'm too lazy to come up with unquestionably great examples.
I just think that Idris will be able to portray Roland's personality very well. I'f you've seen his performances in the Wire, Luther, & Beast of No Nation it shows that he possesses a remarkable range of talent.
Well... I think that Anthony Hopkins would be able to portray Roland's personality excellent, and yet I don't want him to play Rolland. S King made Roland from watching Clint Eastwood. It should be someone that resembles C Eastwood (or someone that at least has those "blue gunslinger eyes"). Period!
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I feel this an attempt by the production to impose racial politics on to the character. I would hate it just as much if they casted a Caucasian actor to play Marvel's Blade.
Darklord summed it up perfectly.. Elba is a GREAT actor.. but there is absolutely NO WAY he is "The Perfect Actor for the role" I read each book AS IT WAS RELEASED in hardcover bought them each on day of release (starting with book II, i got book one a little late) those of us who are die hard fans of the series KNOW Roland was white.. as it was mentioned previously by others, its going to screw up the dynamic between Roland, Eddie, & Detta Walker as well when you get into all the racial bantering. Add to this, if they are willing to change THE MAIN PROTAGONIST so cataclysmically, what does that say about the extent in which they will be willing to change the rest of the storyline to fit PC standards and the director's whims? I am not saying it CANNOT be a good movie, i am just saying that it WILL NOT do the book series justice, and for those of us who have been waiting all this time through several let downs from the studios for them to FINALLY start filming this movie it's just a major let down that they are going to mutilate the series itself... like we have all been waiting for nothing.
not exactly related, but it's this same re-writing to suit the director's whims that destroyed another movie release for me and WHY I wont pay to see this movie if Elba is going to be Roland; in the film adaptation of HitchHiker's Guide To The Galaxy how they botched the *beep* out of it to suit the director's whims.. I bet Douglas Adams was rolling in his grave (RIP) when that was released... the fact that King supports these changes makes one question if he suffered brain damage when he was hit by that car..
You realize with H2G2, all of the changes were from Adams himself, right? Everything in the movie was from different drafts by Adams. I'd also like to note that your getting upset over Hitchhiker is hilarious add EVERY VERSION OF THE TALE CONTRADICTS ITSELF. That's right, every version had changes. Some of them were major.
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Let me start off by saying that I love Idris Elba. The man is fantastic.
That being said, I also love Dark Tower: The Drawing of the Three.
One of my favorite things about the book was the racial tension from the civil rights era being brought to the doorstep (no pun intended) of Roland, a white man who has never (as far as we know) known anything quite like the rampant racism and segregation of the times before the 1970's of our world. This makes me believe that, as Roland was on the page, Idris could never be "perfect" for Roland. He IS interesting, however.
The dynamics between Odetta/Detta and Roland were fantastic, in the books. Detta Walker's viciousness toward Roland and his race was one of the driving forces in the story (and causes Roland quite a bit of trouble), to me at least. It meant something for her to overcome racism to come to love Roland as a dear friend. We just can't have that in the same way, if Roland is black. That's not to say they won't come up with something else, but casting a black man pretty much sees an end to the racial tension as we knew it in the book.
I think a lot of people aren't mad specifically because of Elba himself, but because of what a race change means for the story.
I'm sure they'll figure a way around it and whatnot, but for me, I'm personally very saddened that we won't be seeing one of my favorite aspects of the book onscreen. The change just feels very unnecessary to me.
And I hate that I'm torn between one of my favorite actors and one of my favorite books. LOL.
*shrug* I guess we'll see how it all pans out, next year. Personally, I feel they haven't really gotten much of anything right from what I've been hearing about the film so far, but that's just me.
Just my personal thoughts on the matter, not an attack on anyone else's opinion. Figured it might shed some light on the Irdis Ebla "hate", going around.
One of my favorite things about the book was the racial tension from the civil rights era being brought to the doorstep (no pun intended) of Roland, a white man who has never (as far as we know) known anything quite like the rampant racism and segregation of the times before the 1970's of our world. This makes me believe that, as Roland was on the page, Idris could never be "perfect" for Roland. He IS interesting, however.
It's actually those things that make me okay with the race change - Roland's race played no part in shaping his character and life experiences, because he grew up in a world without all that. Who he is as a person has absolutely nothing to do with his race, unlike for Susannah, Jake or Eddie. For Roland, race is purely a matter of physical appearance, nothing more. I find it opens many interesting possibilities.
I agree with this article that said:
"But that’s also why Roland being black can work so well, because it lets her rage have two textures instead of a single one. She can direct that racism at Eddie (who, let’s face it, absolutely needs to be played by Aaron Paul) but then her hatred towards Roland can easily be rewritten as the hatred of a race traitor. Roland isn’t African American, and his world has no concept of black and white, per se. He looks upon her hatred with a blank sort of incomprehension, a man raised in a world without that particular societal construct. It would be positively treasonous in her eyes, to see this man who doesn’t care about race, who kneels to no one, and carries iron on his hips. All that unconscious privilege and power in Roland is exactly what being white means as a social construction, and so changing the color of his skin without the substance of his character would ironically make him even whiter to Detta’s eyes. And it makes the statements about race in the story that much more powerful."
I agree that race means nothing to Roland (definitely not arguing that), but his race is a big part of the dynamic between Detta/Odetta and Roland in the novels. It's not so much about him as it is about both of them; about how they relate to one another (or don't relate). Detta straight up despises him and Roland doesn't get it. It was pretty interesting. If the civil rights era wasn't in the mix, I'd be much supportive of Elba, to be honest. But I found it very powerful in the books.
I've read that article before and, personally, I find it to be a bit of a weak argument, defending an unecssary story change. I mean, you "could" go down that path but...why? It's like saying that what King wrote wasn't "good enough" and that Goldsman feels he can do it better. Doesn't really sit well with me. I really wish I could hear what the rationale was behind their decision. Just out of pure curiosity. It's pretty obvious that they were trying to deviate from King's vision of the gunslinger very early on, when they were trying to cast Javier Bardem, so I'm very curious to see where all this leads, story-wise, once the film comes out. Hopefully the decision will make more sense to me at that point. My guess is that they're going to avoid the racial tension altogether. Odetta will probably be from the modern era (like what they're doing with Jake, for whatever reason). Early concept art revealed her with legs, too (pre Mia). Very odd.
But anyways, just my peronal opinion. I honeslty feel that what was in the book was pretty much perfect and needed no tampering. Apparently Mr. Goldsman disagrees.
I think Idris will make a very good Roland, but I will never be able to consider him a "perfect" Roland, myself. I'm just too enamored with the source material. LOL.
Also, thanks for having a legitimate debate with me instead of flaming. LOL. It's nice to discuss opinions without being attacked. ^_^
Out of curiosity, have there been any deviations you are opposed to, thus far?
I disagree. I feel that's quite an understatement, but that's just me. Molehills don't usually create as much of an outcry as this casting has produced, so I dunno. It's a big enough deal to a lot of people. No denying that, at least.
Just my personal opinion. I'm not alone on mine, and you're not alone on yours. Feels likes it's been pretty 50/50 on the love/hate scale. *shrug*
The movie will be whatever it will be, though. It just won't be what we read on the page. I think the casting of Roland will be the least of our worries by the time this flick hits theaters. :-/ We'll just have to wait and see.
By that logic, the "I am your father" scene in Empire shouldn't matter, either. It's not many pages of script, but it's relevant to the chemistry between Vader and Luke. That's an extreme example, but King spent more time on Detta and Roland than Lucas spent on Luke and Vader, technically.
It's my opinion that it matters as a character dynamic. Page-count is irrelevant. Youre gonna have to accept that there is a large number of us that liked that angle, just as I have accepted that there are a large number of people who don't care about it. Let's just respeact eachother's feelings on the matter.
Not trying to pick a fight, man. I'm simply stating my feelings on the matter, not trying to change your mind. :)
By that logic, the "I am your father" scene in Empire shouldn't matter, either.
Did you really just compare one of the most iconic scenes in movie history to a bit of surface attacking (as in, attacking surface characteristics) by a malicious alternate personality that would pretty much use whatever "tools" were at hand to cause chaos?
Luke and Anakin's relationship is key for two out of three films in the original Star Wars trilogy (there's nothing in the first film that requires the relationship to be known). Detta (not Odetta or Susannah) squabbling with Roland occurs for less than half a book and doesn't have gigantic repercussions for the rest of the seven plus novels that comprise the The Dark Tower Series.
Talk about a false equivalency.
Maybe you genuinely think Detta would have been stumped had Roland not possessed the right melanin content ? I don't know.
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I sure did. ^_^ Because, to me, personally, it's that important. Sure it may not span the entire book series, but it was a character-defining element, in my eyes. You can call it "attacking surface characteristics", but I don't think anyone who has been on the receiving end of that kind of racism would describe it as such. :( And Detta's attempt to kill Roland never feel like mere squabbling to me.
The active phrase here being "to me".
You don't agree, and that's fine, there's not need to insist that you're right and I'm wrong. I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me, and that's all there is to it. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, I'm simply stating how I feel on the subject at hand.
Personally, TO ME, I felt it was a very important element of their character dynamic; one I enjoyed very much and never forgot. I'm sad it won't be in the film in the same way as it was in the books.
And you're allowed to disagree, but you're just not going to change my mind on the subject. We must both accept this.
That being said, I still respect your opinion. We good? :)
Because, to me, personally, it's that important. Sure it may not span the entire book series, but it was a character-defining element, in my eyes. You can call it "attacking surface characteristics", but I don't think anyone who has been on the receiving end of that kind of racism would describe it as such. :( And Detta's attempt to kill Roland never feel like mere squabbling to me.
The active phrase here being "to me".
Kudos for trying to utilize an appeal to emotion as part of your argument, but that kind of discrimination is alien to Roland, so it's a non-factor here.
Still, do you mean to imply there is no other reason Detta would clash with Roland? Aside, of course, from the fact that...
...he has an intimate knowledge of her secret dual persona (via "raping" her mind).
...he is a lawman (with a lawman's bearing).
...he behaves in a manner foreign to people of her county/state of her Earth in her time period.
...he collaborates with Eddie in a fashion that could make him out to be an "Uncle Tom".
...he is a threat to her because of his experience/willingness to use violence.
...he has her in bondage against her will.
Nope? Nothing? Him happening to look like a man of African descent is going to stymie her into confusion and submission, regardless of all other factors?
You don't agree, and that's fine, there's not need to insist that you're right and I'm wrong. I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me, and that's all there is to it. I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right, I'm simply stating how I feel on the subject at hand.
Personally, TO ME, I felt it was a very important element of their character dynamic; one I enjoyed very much and never forgot. I'm sad it won't be in the film in the same way as it was in the books.
And you're allowed to disagree, but you're just not going to change my mind on the subject. We must both accept this.
That being said, I still respect your opinion. We good? :)
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Dude, I'm not denying the validity of your points, but I don't feel my points are irrelevant here, either, so let's just try and keep things respectful. We've made our points, so let's just leave it where it is.
We both obviously took away very different things from the books, and that's fine, because fictional literature will always be somewhat subjective.
The novels will always be there for us to enjoy, regardless of what happens with the film.
I'm definitely interested to see if they'll let him start off with it. It would be a very Interesting way to allow for changes to the story. Just another turn of the wheel of Ka.
I'm also curious to see if Father Callahan will be utilized either in this or in later installments, since they're apparently jumping to a point that includes Sayre. :D
Basically it wasn't "Let's change things and make Roland black! Now, who should we cast?" but rather that they had a few actors in mind (all of whom were white except Elba), and felt that he was the best fit among those few, to the extent that they were willing to make small changes to the story to accommodate his casting. Stephen King thought it would also open up exciting possibilities, which it does.
I don't think Roland's change of race would erase Detta's hatred of him, just its expression, and it might actually make that whole racial dynamic more intense, nuanced and interesting - we get to see two facets of her hate, not just one. She'll hate Roland in a different way that she hates Eddie, so there's no redundancy. I love the idea of her feeling betrayed by Roland precisely because she might have expected a black man to understand and be on her side, only to realise that Roland completely doesn't get it and cannot relate to the racial horrors she had to live through in our world. That's a huge motivation for raging jealousy, anger and hatred: realising that someone who was like you in some socially-marginalised way was completely spared the ill-treatment you received for being that way, and was in fact treated like borderline royalty in spite of it. It's far deeper and more personal than if she just hated Roland because he was white.
But overall, I view this movie as more of a sequel than a straight adaptation, so I'm not too bothered by changes as long as we get a good story in the end. The version I have in my mind is already perfect. No adaptation could ever live up to that, so to me this is just another version of the same tale on another level of the Tower. In different worlds we have Blaine the Mono, Charlie the Choo Choo, Thomas the Train; different Rolands with different races are just more iterations of the same.
Out of curiosity, have there been any deviations you are opposed to, thus far?
The Giver. That was one of my favourite books ever as a kid, and one of the worst movies I've ever sat through. I don't know who's idea it was to turn the 12 year old protagonist into an angsty teenager. It changed everything. I was still willing to give it the benefit of the doubt then, but it was so bad.
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Oh, no, sorry, that's not what I meant. I just meant that they definitely went into it with the mindset that Roland didn't HAVE to look like he does in the novels. This tells me that they were likely already aware (either through early roundtable discussions or an already-written screenplay) that Roland's race would have no bearing on the film's plot. Javier Bardem is certainly not lanky, pale and blue-eyed. Hehe.
I just read the article. Hadn't seen it before. Not a bad read. Honestly, I take King's opinions on his film adaptations with a grain of salt, these days. He's always said that his only concerns are the novels. The only time I've ever heard of him being angry about an adaptation was The Shining, and that was because the story had some very personal ties to his own life. But I'm sure he knows much about their adaptational process on DT than we do. He's in the loop. :P
The problem comes from when an author puts their work out there, and people start to love what the author has put on the page. It becomes bigger than just the author at that point. People like what they have read and often don't like drastic deviations. I'm not sure if you've read the script review, but the movie starts out with the breakers and Walter, Jake is the main focus, and Roland has abandoned his quest for the tower. Yikes! Not exactly on track. lol
But I digress.
I get where you're coming from on the "Uncle Tom" angle, but I truly doubt they'll go that route. It sounds like Akiva Goldsman is doing everything he can to simply avoid that story element altogether.
Different levels of the tower, for sure. Hell, maybe he'll start out with the Horn of Eld. Hehe. And yes, we'll always have the books, comics, or the way we envisioned the stories in our mind's eye, but I still feel that DT could have been better adapted as an HBO animated series or something. Maybe someday. I just don't have high hopes for the film.
Oh, man, The Giver. I've heard nothing but bad things, especially from fans of the book. I expect to feel the same way toward the DT films as you did toward the Giver film. Not because of Elba, exactly, but moreso because Akiva Goldsman (the man who gave us Batman and Robin) is writing it. That horrifies me to no end. LOL.
Someone previously mentioned how even the books occasionally contradicted themselves when describing Roland's appearance, so I don't think Stephen King was particularly concerned about that.
The problem comes from when an author puts their work out there, and people start to love what the author has put on the page. It becomes bigger than just the author at that point. People like what they have read and often don't like drastic deviations.
True.
Oh! Speaking of the Horn, apparently Roland is starting out with that. I read another script review somewhere that mentions how when we first meet Roland, he has a large ornate horn around his waist. That's probably a large part with why I'm not that bothered with deviations - I see this more of a sequel than an adaptation, and I'm interested to see what they can do with this world and how it'll interact with the books, especially when it comes to the ending. Perhaps this will be the ka-tet of 20. :P
It looks like I'm one of the few who haven't seen Batman and Robin, so I'm not as pessimistic about Goldsman; my main exposure to his writing was on Fringe, which was pure awesome, and where Jeff Pinkner - another DT writer - also contributed. So I'm hoping they just happen to work well together or something.
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Someone previously mentioned how even the books occasionally contradicted themselves when describing Roland's appearance, so I don't think Stephen King was particularly concerned about that.
But an African dude? :P I don't think the contradictions were THAT extreme. Hehe, just messin' with ya.
Yay, Horn of Eld! I guess it's plausible that the tower deemed that Roland's appearance could change as he stepped through the door again. Still, no one asked for a quasi-sequel, so it's a weird decision. We'll see where they go with it.
Never see B&R. Trust me. It'll worry you. LOL. I loved Fringe, too, but Goldsman and Pinkner had to adhere to a series bible, so they couldn't screw it up that badly to begin with.
Fingers crossed, though. I don't really have much hope for this "adaptation", but it's still early. I'm expecting we'll see some production stills relatively soon.
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Still, no one asked for a quasi-sequel, so it's a weird decision. We'll see where they go with it.
I actually really like the idea that it's a quasi-sequel. It's perhaps the only book where something like this could work, and it makes it all the bigger: it makes our world into another level of the Tower and makes it part of the story. It's like how this began with the poem Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came, and how Stephen King implied that that too was Roland's quest in an earlier cycle; each time, the story changes but is still the same story at its core.
I see this adaptation as the next cycle of that, and it ends up building on that multiverse. It doesn't 'make' Roland black, because there are other worlds than these, and in at least some of those he's white; in yet others he might be a woman, or gay, or an alien, with his tale told in text or screen, graphic novel or hologram, but through all that and in whatever form he might take it's still Roland searching obsessively for the Tower and that distant hope of redemption. I love that idea.
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It's definitely an interesting potential explanation. Apparently Roland has given up his quest for the tower in the film; practically DT blasphemy. But if this is indeed a different turn of the wheel of Ka, then it could make sense. Personally, I would have just rather seen what was in the novels on screen, but we'll see how this one works. You never know, they might even straight up address the changes in some way, through the story. I'm definitely curious.
I just recently saw the pics of Elba as Roland, btw. Maybe it's just because I've lived with King's vision of Roland in my head for 20 years now, but I just can't see Roland in those pics. Maybe the movie will change my mind in time, but as of now, it just doesn't work for me. I really wanted to like Elba as Roland, once I saw him, but it just doesn't feel right. Not yet. I dunno. I'll wait for the first trailer.
You never know, they might even straight up address the changes in some way, through the story.
I'll give them bonus points if they stick a number other than 19 everywhere.
Yeah, I saw the pics too. I could see Roland in that trenchcoat pic, but not the others - he's too muscular - but it's still early to know how it'll all turn out on film.
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Yeah, I'm definitely waiting for the trailer. I WANT to like this, but I'm still not convinced this won't be a disaster. :( Elba better NAIL Roland. Well, Elba AND the writers, I suppose.
Someone previously mentioned how even the books occasionally contradicted themselves when describing Roland's appearance, so I don't think Stephen King was particularly concerned about that.
In Drawing of the Three, Roland is said to look like Clint Eastwood; in Song of Susannah, he is said to look like Stephen King.
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That article sounds like a lot of bullsh*t to try and pass off a pointless PC race change as a plus. Can guarantee the fool that wrote that poor article would be complaining if they changed Susannah, more hypocrisy from social justice warriors.
Changing Roland destroys the whole dynamic, I'm disappointed in Stephen King that he let this happen. Shameless money grabber that he now is.
Tell me something, Spider198, when an individual such as yourself hopes for violence/injury against people involved in the making of a film and then later hopes that financial (or at least career) ruination befalls the same people, what does that make them?
"Morally upstanding human being" perhaps?
You see, your expertise on what is "PC" blew me away. So much so, actually, that I had to find out what other nuggets of knowledge you have squirreled away in that grey matter of yours.
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Well when a hypocrite such as yourself insults and talks down to people who oppose a white character getting a race change, only to then complain about a race change when they change a character to white in a different film. What does that say about them? I'm going with it makes them a shamelessly hypocritical tool, but I'd love to know how you try and excuse it.
It's totally hypocritical, you're clearly one of the hypocrites who holds the same double standard so I can't expect you to understand. It's the attitude of white characters considered blank slates for any race and any character not white their race is immediately considered important.
Susannah's race is only important because of the tensions it causes with Roland and Eddie, going all PC with the casting of Roland destroy's all that. I hope they make Odetta/Detta/Susannah white just to watch hypocrites like you try to justify your double standard.
If that is true then I have no respect for King anymore, to sell his biggest work on the cheap and let them do this to it. Sh*t casting, made on the cheap with a useless director whose probably never even read the books and hacking up the story.
I wouldn't have anything against him IF they didn't cast Matthew McConaughey in this movie. I can't but be so fcking sad how McConaughey is so perfect for the role of the gunslinger...if they just switch the roles, Elba and him, it would be perfect.
I Think all the ELba hate is because they disagree with your sentence that he is perfect for the roll of Roland. I do not think he has the acting depth to play All the facets of the character. Personally, Elba is an ok actor but not good enough for the character of Roland. As far as the appearance of Roland I'm not sure why everyone pictures someone that looks like Eastwood. Roland looks like a grizzled and leathered version of Stephen King, except for the bombardiers eyes.( I would have cast Benico Del Toro with some contacts for this),But if Hollywood is determined to use a black actor as Roland Shemar Moore would have been a better choice than Elba, in my opinion. In addition I think that the race aspect has people extra worried about whether this movie is going to try and make a dumbed down P.C. statement by switching the Roland/ Detta interactions to show case the white lady being racist to the black hero or be faithful to the books that they loved so much. As far as casting Detta/Odetta/Susannah I would love for them to steal Danai Gurira from the Walking Dead.
Matters of race are very loaded, unfortunately, and bring out all sorts of accusations.
I think Elba has the talent and the charisma to play Roland. My biggest concern is not that Elba is not white, but that his smile is far too warm!
There was an interesting point about the 'mind's eye' of the character. My own mental picture ability isn't all that strong, and is more impressionistic than, say, clarity and technicolour. As such, my overwhelming take/association from Roland was the Tower junkie - haggard, determined, brutal when necessary, and yet capable of charm and decorum. I don't see a problem with Elba meeting any of this, nor with the presumed loss of Detta throwing 'honk moffah' into the mix of her angry ranting. There's plenty else for her to hate Roland for aside from his being white.
A lot of great points. thanks for the replies. I'm so glad that at least a few people have other arguments besides the race of the character. I've read all the posts and I respect everyone's opinion. BTW, I do agree that Matthew would be an excellent Roland, but I am so very very excited to see him portray Randall Flagg aka Walter Padick aka The MiB. Also, I do hope that a black actress is cast for Odetta/Susannah, because, unlike Roland, her character has everything do with her race and background.
I know he was written as "white". I don't think it matters is all. A lot of people keep talking about how they're gonna miss all the racial conflict between Roland and Odetta. But come on, wasn't that like two chapters total? Also, does anyone really want to see all that on screen, some of it us kind of cringe worthy after all.
Thanks for the reply.
PS: Hopefully the first film is the first novel, so she won't even be in it :0
Well let me put it this way. Wasn't that "important and vital" conflict between characters contained in Book Two alone? I don't see how the race change ruins the whole story.
Towards the latter end of "The Drawing of the Three", even.
Certain people are forgetting that she not only split her meanness between Roland and Eddie, but that Roland was absent for a significant chunk of the time in 1970s New York for his fetch quest.
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