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These alien invasion can happen in real life


So the Universe is pretty huge and its very possible that this can happen in real life.After watching the movie I started researching more about aliens and found that they might be real. This video is also very https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyOJPeYJ_ss

So it is possible that alien invasion is possible.

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movies like this are made so gullible idiots like you will believe it
fake alien invasion is possible to unite all nations and bring one world order

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I agree, and I think your original post is also very

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We don't need an alien invasion. The rich are doing just fine enslaving humanity.

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There is one overriding truth when it comes to alien life and our own place in the universe: humanity doesn't have a fuсking clue. We really don't. I've read articles that lay out a case for just about every point of view you can take on the issue, most perfectly logical but all based on the flawed assumption that here, now, in this time, humans actually know what the hell they're talking about. Yes, there are a lot of ways in which Earth is fortunate. But exactly how rare are those conditions? For all we know the physics of planetary system formation may favor certain characteristics (our strong magnetic field and single large moon for instance) that we've been treating like a stroke of pure luck. So how many planets are suitable for the evolution of advanced life? Don't give me estimates based on a whole chain of assumptions. We have no idea.

There's this thing called the Drake Equation:

N = R∗ ⋅ fp ⋅ ne ⋅ fℓ ⋅ fi ⋅ fc ⋅ L

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy
R* = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space


The perfect example of an equation created just to have a formula. It tells us nothing, it's a product of values which are all unknown except for the first - we have a decent estimate for the average rate of star formation in our galaxy. All the rest are wild guesses being pulled out of peoples' asses. There was a planned NASA project called the terrestrial planet finder that would've made a systematic survey of all the star systems in our region of space. Congress killed it. Now that would have told us roughly how common earthlike planets are, and if any within the planet finder's range were life-bearing, their spectra would've revealed the presence of complex organic compounds. But since we have no hard data all you're going to get are guesses that (if history is any guide) will turn out to be way off target when we finally do get that data. We don't know how many civilizations are out there and can't even guess reliably. Anyone who says differently is full of it.

Is faster than light travel (or even just communication) possible? The traditional answer would be no. But we don't even know what a good portion of the universe is made of. We use terms like dark matter and dark energy to describe stuff we know is there but haven't yet characterized. There's clearly some significant physics still to be unlocked. Who's to say FTL travel by wormhole or some type of hyperdrive is impossible? We can't make that assumption either.

What is the "average" alien like? I mean, what do they look like? How do they think? Are their motives anything like ours? Could we relate to them one on one, become friends the way human beings are friends with each other, or would the inner working of their minds always be a mystery to us (and vice versa)? This is something we're even more clueless about. We have no idea what, or how much, we might have in common with every other form of intelligence, and which things are unique to our species. The instincts for survival and reproduction are likely universal, but that's about all we can safely take for granted. So how would an alien civilization react to discovering our existence? Who the hell knows. Aliens in movies are always either friends or foes. Indifference is a posture Hollywood overlooks. Maybe they wouldn't bother contacting us or coming here in person, because they just don't care.

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A very well thought out post, I too have spent many hours pondering things on the matter but couldn't really get anywhere due to the fact that I don't really have an extensive academic background to even form a hypothesis of my own. However, I have read a lot of articles that may not be directly related to the subject matter but have allowed me to connect the dots of sorts to figure things out.

In regards to the possibility of wormhole travel and such, I have concluded that it's not possible based on two factors, initial mapping (surveying), and fluctuation of fundamental physics. In order to make wormhole travel practical and safe, you have to do initial mapping of the destination, which is a problem because it's too far away. I assume they could guess it instead, but who would want to take a ride on such terms? They could send a drone or something as a test run, but there would be a severe limitation on how much a drone can even accomplish without direct supervision by humans. And there's a slight problem with a drone proposal, which leads to the second point.

Space is very volatile in terms of physics, in that a certain physics property in one place simple does not apply at another place due to the fluctuation of fundamental physics. So even if this drone of ours has the material makeup to withstand our own space, it may not withstand or even function in another part of the universe. This also further complicates the actual wormhole travel mechanism as well, as it now has to account for every variable fundamental physics in the universe, which seems like an impossible task, especially when we couldn't be able to even do initial mapping.

As for aliens not even caring, well you have to consider the intention of the aliens in a context, I for one think that if aliens have visited Earth, those particular ones are likely to care very much, because they are likely exploring or surveying, otherwise why would they bother to travel so far in the first place? But given the notion of which I have proposed regarding wormhole travel, it's very difficult for me to even consider the possibility that aliens from afar have ever visited our planet, EVER.

On the subject of the government or secret organization being involved with the aliens, there are just too many things that are very sketchy to even consider such a thing as fact at this point. I might as well believe that dragons and unicorns exist before I believe in that.

The only possible scenario that would make me believe in the existence of aliens would be that they live very close to us so that wormhole travel would not be as necessary, and that they were around for a very long time to the point where we humans were bio-engineered by them in the past and are heavily involved in the history of human-kind from the very beginning.

In the end, I just think whether there are aliens or not does not matter much in the grand scheme of things because ultimately the humans will decide the fate of where we head towards in the future, barring any natural disaster that would wipe us out clean.

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chrisjdel, I learned one most interesting thing from your comments:
that the word gnikcuf spelled backwards cannot be detected by the IMDb
filter machine...

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Is faster than light travel (or even just communication) possible?


There are speeds faster then the speed of light yes.Many speeds even.In fact since the starting point of speed is 0 the number of speeds faster then the speed of light is very much bigger then the number of speeds lower then the speed of light.

But since the majority of the scientific community thinks Einstein is Jesus, and therefor relativity their religion, this information is kept under the rug.Same thing for their big bang fairy tales of a expanding universe and all that kind of BS,they learned&teached it so it has to be valid and in true human nature they will rather follow their little tunnel to oblivion.


Anyways it is very unlikely anything in this movie will ever happen.Even if you leave infrastructure or logistics out of the equation any lifeform that travels extreme distances to harvest a planet's core will make sure any threat(sensient life,but also viruses etc) on that planet is dead before they get there.

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The whole Alien craze kind of hit it's apex in 96 with ID4. But 20 years on, with everyone having cameras on their phones and filming things non-stop, I think we would have had that one definitive pic by now to end the debate.

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@danmankp37

This. ikr. 👍

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