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Even worse than Jurassic World. That's quite something.


A C.G.I cluster *beep* with zero character development, a story and characters that are in no way grounded in reality plots holes so big the mother ship could fly through them and all in all an insult to the original movie and to human intelligence.

Hence me calling this Jurassic World 2 and I'm sorry if you thought Jurassic World 2 was in any way a good movie but it really wasn't. Movies like this make me lose faith in the human race. To be honest if Aliens do invade I hope they win lol.

Sorry but it really annoys me that they can throw 160 million bucks at a film with a script this terrible.

There were many moments in this where I laughed out loud in amazement at the terrible writing one of the biggest was the dark haired woman who nearly kisses Goldblum being English at the start of the movie and French at the end.

WHAT THE *beep*!

I know studios have to make money, who the *beep* doesn't in this world but at least put some effort in people come on. WRITE STORIES THAT MAKE SENSE AND HAVE JOINED UP THINKING!

They have *beep* up Jurassic Park, Ghostbusters and independence day now what next???????

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I would disagree. Jurassic world is a total rehash. I saw independence day today and it wasnt bad. More impressed with this than the force awakens and jurassic park. All rehashes but this was by far better than the others.

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I disagree but thumbs up for being polite. That's unusual on these boards.

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Force awakens was a rehash what the fvck are you talking about.

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It's A New Hope with a different skin

they played it safe

Rey is Luke's daughter

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Force Awakens used a lot of the same major themes that A New Hope did, so I can understand people that don't completely understand story-structure can get that confused with "rehashing." Lucas did the same exact thing with Episode 1, but The Force Awakens stands on its own as a fantastic film a lot better than Episode 1 did.

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Just because you are too stupid to understand it, it does not mean that it is a plot hole

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BX18Icf6fQ

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Similar themes, and definitely some references, but quite a bit of the "evidence" are extremely vague similarities. It's like morons are out there going "OMG, one of the characters gets attacked by a weird creature in BOTH movies, and both movies have StormTroopers that shoot at people! THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!! Oh man! look! both movies have people working on computers! Man there's nothing original. carbon copy!"

Half of the scenes were clear easter eggs to reference the original trilogy. You know what happened? A few people on the internet who don't know anything about filmmaking stupidly said "they're the same movie" and all the trolls jump aboard the bandwagon. People who actually know what filmmaking is will tell you the only true similarities other than easter eggs are thematic ones or popular sci-fi tropes.

The only argument that has any ground is that they destroyed the giant planet in a similar fashion to how the Death Star was destroyed, but that's it. I don't even entertain that the Starkiller base is a copy of the death star, because I see it as them going "Well a giant space station didn't work. What if we tried turning a stationary planet into a massive weapon?" That's called natural progression. They're still trying to rule the galaxy. They need a lot of firepower to do that.

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Just because you are too stupid to understand it, it does not mean that it is a plot hole

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This was better than Abrams Star Wars? It was hardly better than Terminator Geni$y$

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Force Awakens was horrendous compared to the other 6 star wars. Total feminist REHASH of A New HOPE. Wish they would have made S>O>T>E

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It was better than the prequels.

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Feminist rehash -- you've lost all credibility right there...

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This was infinitely better than Terminator Genisys.

Get on the scale son! Get off the scale.

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I totally agree on every point. I agree that IDR was a terrible movie and that JW was an insult to the original series in respect with the few points you listed against it further down the thread.

If you ask me, the whole idea of an genetically modified dinosaur is an insult in itself to begin with. As if nature doesn't provide us already with countless nightmarish beasts in all shapes, forms and sizes in every prehistoric era. There are more than enough "monsters" to go around from the beginning of the long history of life right up until the Pleistocene Megafauna without having to invent nonsensical new ones. As if we could be more creative and resourceful and scary than nature itself. And that's the main problem with the movie, while the original Jurassic Park was a celebration of nature and its wonders ("Life always finds a way"), JW was a celebration of "science", hubris and human stupidity.

Although, to be fair, the original movie also contained warnings against the dangers of science and worked as some sort of cautionary tale ("Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should"), but it also contained a strong admiration, love and respect for nature e.g Grant taking off his glasses seeing Brachiosaurs for the first time.

Jurassic World kinda destroys this sense of awe and wonder the first movie generated insofar as in JP, the viewer gets to observe nature in all its might through a real animal that has existed, the T-Rex, the "King Lizard Tyrant" for God's sake, which ruled the earth for millions of years, not a tricking-cunning-implant-finding-camouflaging-raptor-loving piece of CGI meat called Indominus Rex. Gimme a break!

Now let's not even mention that JW has no soul due to its lack of real animatronic dinosaurs, nor that the effects look more fake than 20 years ago; and don't get me started on the idea of Raptors collaborating with humans or on the idea of setting them loose to chase down terrorists in the caves of Afghanistan. I mean, common.

That being said, i agree, as bad as JW is, IDR is even worse. JW at least had the Mosausaur. IDR had nothing.

I would also throw T: Genesys in the bunch as it was an incomprehensible mess too, yet, again, as pathetic as this one was, it is also still better than IDR in my book. In Genesys, i got to see Arnie playing the Terminator again, Will Smith wasn't even in IDR!

Yeah, IDR is definitively in my top 3 worst sequels ever.


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Oh for gods sakes STOP defending Arnold in TG. He is nearly 70 and it was just embarrassing watching him pretend to act out the Terminator one more time. That movie was written to accommodate his saggy old face and the movie suffered for it SO badly.

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Shut the *beep* up

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Force Awakens and Jurassic World were rehashes, but watchable.

This movie was just terrible. So much cringe from nearly every spoken line.

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You're a retard.

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I cannot believe you wrote all of that in response to "you're retarded" lol.
Was it really worth the effort?

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I agree with this 100%! The Force Awakens and Jurassic World did play it safe by reusing the parts that made the originals so lovable, but it worked. I was able to get moments of genuine enjoyment out of those films, and could almost forget that they were cheap ploys to make more money.
This movie was an atrocity, completely lacking the spirit of the original, and I couldn't believe what I was watching the whole time. It felt like they didn't even try to live up to the original, whereas the TFA and JW at least made an attempt to recapture the magic of their predecessors.

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The best I remember from "Jurassic World", is, how the kids' nanny got whumped in and out of water by a big beast. Poor lady.

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I actually liked Jurassic World but I do agree that Independence Day: Resurgence never ever should have been made. It's utter garbage.

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I just don't see how a studio can spend so much on effects and nothing on decent writing. There is no excuse for it.

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It was watered down by execs to sell internationally. You can't be clever or witty if you're targeting international, because non-English audiences will have a hard time getting it. So you make everything REALLY simple.

It had terrible writing because of money. And it bit them in the ass. Good riddance.

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My thoughts exactly and while it was obvious they were trying to cater to every type of viewer they could envision, I don't think that necessarily precludes good writing.

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(....)it was obvious they were trying to cater to every type of view(...)
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I disagree.There wasn't anything for readers of Playboy who buy the magazine
for the pictures.

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while it was obvious they were trying to cater to every type of viewer they could envision, I don't think that necessarily precludes good writing


Actually, while it doesn't 'preclude' it, I definitely think that it hinders good writing. When you feel the need to try to cater to everyone, then you almost HAVE to go lazy with the writing. Any form of creativity or risk taking worries them that they are going to piss of a particular faction of the audience, so it usually ends up watered down.

I'm not saying that it's universal (obviously, there have been a lot of big blockbusters that were crowd pleasers and ended up quite well written), but just that it certainly has an affect...

What's going on? What's all this shouting? We'll have no trouble here...

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I have to agree. As mediocre as Jurassic World was, it at least had a few standout sequences (the mosasaur feeding and the final battle). ID4 2 didn't have much of anything.

It really goes to show how far our standards for blockbuster cinema have fallen if we're looking back to mediocre films of previous years with fondness.

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I agree with your last point but I do think the ending to Jurassic World was laughable. How can a woman in high heels out run a T-Rex when a Jeep struggled to outrun it in the first movie. Also the part when the Raptor and T-Rex looked at each other and went their separate ways was terrible I thought they were going to kiss for God sake.

Also the Madeupasuarus dies but that doesn't mean the danger is over? The humans just calmly got up and walked away. They were standing in front of a T-Rex???

It was a very badly made movie in my humble opinion but this movie is even worse.

It's depressing that they can spend tens of millions on C.G.I these days but spend nothing on hiring someone with a brain, giving them a pen and paper and letting them write something that make at least a tiny bit of sense.

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That's true those aspects of Jurassic World were laughable.

I always hear defenders of JW say it was dumb fun and say that's all the original JP was which I disagree with. The original JP had great characters with memorable dialogue and its theme of abusing science for profit was well done. JW had none of that.

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I wouldn't call JW a masterpiece but I enjoyed it for the most part and would welcome a sequel. ID:R was a complete dud.

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Jurassic World was lame aside from the ending. IDR wasn't perfect but I enjoyed it quite a bit and found it harmless Summer-time movie fare. It's a masterpiece compared with JW, I still don't get what people see in JW.

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Yeah, Fox apparently made director Roland Emmerich cut at least a half hour from this movie and as I was watching it I wondered if he mostly cut out the parts that would make the story make sense. Much of this was not only charisma free but completely incoherent.

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Much of this was not only charisma free but completely incoherent.
Hahaha yes! You nailed it!

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To be honest if Aliens do invade I hope they win lol.



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Jurassic World is terrible but very watchable. I've sat through that movie a few times. It's great to put on in the background when you're having a little get together. You can kind of ignore and enjoy it at the same time. I imagine this movie will play much the same way. Except JW had Pratt and Howard and they're much more enjoyable than the new kids in this movie.

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