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I've just realised the series's writers think the audience is stupid.

posted 8 years ago by edgar1975
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This last season is been just a mess. It seems the writers have decided common sense didn't matter, and just aimed for show and surprises, even if that means terrible plotholes and characters acting unrealistically.

It all went terribly wrong in the last episode:

- What the hell was the plane scene about? Eurus having dellusions about being in a crashing plane?
- Sherlock parents forgiving her so quickly even though she killed one of their children
- Moriarty cringeworthy appearances throughout the episodes.
- Eurus plot, including mind controlling the entire staff in the facilities without anyone seeing that in the surveillance cameras.
- The pointless tests and games.
- Sherlock's trick on his brother at the beginning (with the clown and the girl).

I didn't think I'd say this years ago, but I'm happy this mess is over.

[–] DoctorDangerDisco 8 years ago

Get ready my friend you're about to get called a troll and told your opinion is wrong. That's what happens If any criticises the show here

[–] edgar1975 8 years ago

Oh my! Better put my armor on! 😨

[–] pure_ewil 8 years ago

I don't think you're a troll, I also don't think this was one of the best episodes of Sherlock. I do think that you've missed some sections/clues in the episode that would make some of your points make a bit more sense. TV shows are always about stretching the truth.

The plane metaphor was explained in Eurus' bedroom in the scene with Sherlock.

She didn't kill one of the Holmes children, she lured Sherlock's friend into a well.

Eurus gained control of the facility by 'brainwashing' the governor - the head of the facility. He went in to talk to her and she used to 'super duper intelligence power' to convince him to work for her. Yeah, it's TV so it's a stretch. But people do get brainwashed in real life.

The tricks and tests was Eurus getting back at Mycroft for incarcerating her while essentially getting to 'play' with Sherlock - which is what she's always wanted. I think it's just Moffat and Gatiss' interpretation of 'The Final Problem.' They have said that this series isn't a fully formed Holmes and Watson. They're still young, they were in their 30's when it started. This is just a series of events that led them to be the characters Conan Doyle wrote about, having adventures as older men.

As for the clown, John told Sherlock that Mycroft wouldn't tell him the truth about Eurus unless he was wetting himself.

Moriarty was just an excuse to have Andrew Scott back in the series since he's a fan favourite. I was confident he was dead so I knew his first scene was a flash back even before the 'five years earlier' came up on the screen.

I encourage you to bite the bullet and watch it one more time. More clues will fall into place and I think you'll like it a bit more.

[–] edgar1975 8 years ago

The plane metaphor was explained in Eurus' bedroom in the scene with Sherlock.

Yes, the metaphor I understand, but how can you explain the different setting she was in while she was sending them the games/tests and also calling them from "inside the plane"?

She didn't kill one of the Holmes children, she lured Sherlock's friend into a well.

Oh, sorry, I thought the other boy was a fourth Holmes sibling.

As for the clown, John told Sherlock that Mycroft wouldn't tell him the truth about Eurus unless he was wetting himself.

Just the full prank... It was so much work! The bleeding paintings, the actors, the sound effects...

I encourage you to bite the bullet and watch it one more time. More clues will fall into place and I think you'll like it a bit more.

Well, I'm not wasting my time again.

[–] delalluvia 8 years ago

She didn't kill one of the Holmes children, she lured Sherlock's friend into a well.
Oh, sorry, I thought the other boy was a fourth Holmes sibling.

You claim the series' writers think the audience is stupid, yet you failed to get something clearly spelled out in the episode.

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[–] therefdotcom 8 years ago

yeah, missing a detail automatically makes a whole bunch of legit criticism void, right?

[–] pure_ewil 8 years ago

Eurus was never on screen while the 'child' was talking to Sherlock. It's a representation of how childlike Eurus is and she does the voice for Sherlock when he walks into her room to show it's been her all along. I never believed the plane was real in the first place.

Of course the 'prank' was elaborate. He had to convince Mycroft Holmes! Those actors were junkies, possibly part of the homeless network Sherlock works with. They were also shooting it like a horror film, those are often far fetched. Really far fetched.

I think you wasted your time watching it the first time because clearly a lot of things have gone over your head. I think you may be the stupid one, I'm afraid. I honestly don't think this series is for people like you if you miss BASIC plot lines.

[–] patty1 8 years ago

As for the clown, John told Sherlock that Mycroft wouldn't tell him the truth about Eurus unless he was wetting himself.

I don't buy that. John can be very intimidating, and we've seen Mycroft fess up to Sherlock before. I think once Sherlock knew there was a secret sister, he and John could have gotten the whole story out of Mycroft without scaring him half to death. That scene felt unnecessary to me. (Even if it did finally give Mycroft an opportunity to reveal the secret weapons in his umbrella. :-) )

[–] HannahLee_3 8 years ago

It wasn't my favorite scene (aside from the umbrella reveal you mentioned:). ) but given the dramatic approach Mycroft took to his first meeting with John, the way Sherlock play acted during the train car scene to elicit forgiveness from John (as well as his elaborate stunt to save (cough emotionally manipulate) John inTLD) and Eurus's approach to confronting her brothers it seems all the Holmes siblings tend to concoct ridiculous schemes to manipulate or make a point.

Have a lovely day - John Finnemore

[–] pure_ewil 8 years ago

Sherlock is a drama queen. So is Mycroft. Gatiss likes horror and I found it entertaining. I quite like the sword gunbrella.

[–] TRinzler 8 years ago

Actually I agree with everything he said. This was the worst episode of a bad season.

[–] tukabelkozmeker 8 years ago

and btw. Moftiss certainly do think general audience is stupid (most of it) - that's basically a given, gaussian distribution is merciless

because they do not filter, on the contrary, they want to appeal more and more to the mainstream average viewer, to become "fun for the whole family" (maybe it's a prerequisite to obtain funds for series 5)

so expect "50 Shades Of Sherlock" combined with some family sitcom (and maybe b BigBrother/BigSister|

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[–] moonglum9 8 years ago

I don't think the writers think the whole audience is stupid. Just you.

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[–] ImortanZ 8 years ago

Mycroft not having a contingency plan for when his henchmen would inevitably let him down.....

[–] cathy1500-294-285224 8 years ago

Couldn't have said it better myself. In order to make the show bigger and better every time they are making it stupider and worst. In the entirety of fourth season (at least) there was no building of any case rather gimmicks were used to get some oohs ans aahs. Hopefully if and when they come back in two years they will show some better writing.

[–] mlbroberts 8 years ago

With every episode of the series, I've had to watch it two or more times to really get everything that was going on, and I'm glad I did it. Things go by so fast you can miss them, and rewatching and figuring out what you missed the first (or second or third) time is part of the show's allure for me. Is it perfect, of course not, but neither were the Conan Doyle stories. Come to think of it, I don't know of many stories that are perfect, especially TV stories.

But it'f better than "reality" TV - God help us with that.

[–] zumannaruto 8 years ago

Well it's about time for people to notice how bad this show really is.