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My grandma had a black maid in the 50s in the south


And treated her well.

Not everyone in the south hated black people back then. The reality of the time was that black women were often grateful to work as maids and most of their employers treated them well.

My mom used to tell me stories about growing up as a child. Some were about the maid they had. Her name was Pearl. This was in Ft Lauderdale (when that area of Florida was still fairly southern). While that area wasn't the deep south back then, the color lines were somewhat drawn (even in the Florida beach town where I grew up, there was a colored beach up until the late 60s/early 70s), and black maids often worked in white houses.

I will say that one of the stories my mom told about Pearl were the few times she had to stay late at work for some reason, and my grandma had to drive her home because the bus didn't run late. On occasion, my mom would ride along and she said that the area of town where the blacks lived, she was appalled at the conditions (shacks, shanties....just poor overall). My mom grew up with money so she probably didn't see poverty much. They treated her pretty well, from what my mom said.

I am sure that there were some poorly treated black maids, but for those from outside the south, not all southerners treated/treat black people poorly.

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I'm sorry, but I need to comment on this post. I realize it's meant well, but... well, I guess it's naive.

I grew up in southern Georgia in the 70s. This is AFTER the civil rights movement, mind you. We had a black maid, too. Every white family did. Nobody thought they were racist, because of course racists want to kill blacks, right? That's what the word means. So we weren't racist. Blacks were treated with courtesy as long as they kept to their own side of town and didn't get "uppity." Grown women - like our maid - called me ma'am when I was seven years old. Now, when I was five years old, it was decreed that my town had to integrate the schools. It had been required years before that, but our town was dragging its feet. Claiming that the expense was not feasible, yadda yadda. But they were ordered to get it done. The white parents FREAKED THE *beep* OUT that their children were going to be going to school, possibly sitting right next to black children.

But, seriously, they were not racist! They were very polite to blacks when they saw them, as long as they only saw them in places that were appropriate for colored folk to be.

Don't let anybody tell you that there were people in the south or parts of the south that were okay for blacks back then. It just isn't true. Watching this movie made me weep with shame, because it recalled so much of my childhood, things I want to remember fondly and know that I can't do so.

Your mother probably does think they treated their black maid well. Maybe they treated her better than their friends treated their help. But she had a job, she worked hard, and yet she lived in a shack. She was exploited by people who "treated her pretty well." Perhaps you're right that a lot of black women were thankful to do that well in life. That's just more reason that all southern whites should hang our heads in shame.

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Don't let anybody tell you that there were people in the south...that were okay for blacks back then.


Even in the least just societies, there have always been individuals who stand up for justice...or if they lack the courage or freedom to do so, quietly fight injustice in their own way. There were white people who stood for social justice in the South then, as now...just as there were those in Nazi Germany who risked and gave their lives for friends, neighbors and ideas when they might have lived in safety and comfort as members of the "master race."

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Are you actually serious in your response? Racist doesn't actually mean you want to kill black people. Thinking that is just misinformed I guess. Racism - a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. Almost what you are spouting in your response is racism. "Treated with courtesy". Everybody should be treated with courtesy. If you were raised learning right from wrong and I can understand being raised in a different time is like being raised in a different culture than mine. It like saying I tolerate you because your ignorant. "They were very polite to blacks". Really that doesn't scream anything to you? You should always be polite to anybody no matter what. It like saying I tolerate you even though you're ignorant. You may not see yourself as those people you are talking about but you are just right up their with them. Please rethink and reread what you posted and understand what you are saying!

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Nobody thought they were racist, because of course racists want to kill blacks, right?


I'm 99% sure did2012 meant that ironically. They were using it to illustrate a point that white Southern people did not perceive themselves to be racist.

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dld2012, I'm sorry so many people seem to have misinterpreted your post. I guess the sarcasm was too subtle? I understand exactly what you meant.

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I appreciate your post and will respond back to you in respect.

I just have this to say. You say GRATEFUL.. I see this as a misguided word that maybe you don't understand how you are using it is disrespectful. It is like saying "I'm grateful I get to shovel manure every day" instead the proper word would probably be "I'm thankful I have a job even if it is shoveling manure every day" There is a big difference between grateful and thankful. Back in the 60's when dark skinned woman of American decent were treated like Negroids they did not have much of say. Some of the only jobs they could get were as maids. To say they were grateful is a UN-justices. They were probably more thankful that they could get a job to support their family. Just as in today's world where half of us are struggling to find jobs are thankful we can find a good one. Now would you be grateful to be a manure shoveler or be thankful for the job if you could not find any other. At least at the end of the day you can provide something to your family.

All I'm trying to do is point out the difference in the word. Grateful should not be the one you are looking for. It comes off as some what racist in the content that you put it in.

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Poor OP, you are quite misunderstood.

I am Filipino and I totally understand.

Filipinos are now the ones greatful to be maids by foreigners or in foreign countries.

We call them OFW. See Hongkong and Singapore. They often hire Filipina help.

"Haha!" - Nelson Muntz ... pointing at you. :)

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And you should indeed be graceful, should you not? That your people are allowed to take such great jobs overseas. Better than being in Philippines, after all.

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There's a difference between an immigrant working their way up from the bottom and being systematically prohibited from progressing and impoverished. I'm sure there's no Jim Crow laws in China and terrorist preventing Filipinos from progressing.

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There's a difference between an immigrant working their way up from the bottom and being systematically prohibited from progressing and impoverished. I'm sure there's no Jim Crow laws in China and terrorist preventing Filipinos from progressing.

WOW you're ignorant of how immigrant Filipina maids are treated. For example, they are smuggled into the UK and kept as slaves by wealthy foreigners. They are tortured and physically abused. They are sexually abused. If they manage to escape and report the crimes to authorities, they are often deported back to their country of origin, penniless, because their visas don't allow them to switch employers.

They are part of the modern day slave trade.

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I realize China is a third world country and there is a huge gap between wealth and poverty, what I didn't realize is that China was a country with such hypocrisy that it's government and constitution would promise freedom, people's rights and equality to one race of people and in turn either look the other way or support a domestic terrorist group by prohibiting the progression and government influence of another race. There are many third world countries out there but what makes people frown upon America's past is the hypocrisy. Blacks living in slums and being trapped in the life as sharecroppers was not the result of a poor economy it was a corrupt government. America a country known for the land of opportunity, freedom, and equality was actually a lie. Even Blacks who were educated and qualified found it difficult to obtain the American dream. I'm sure aware of what happened to those who dare to defy society's backwards standards.

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Every single New World country has similar racial hierarchies. The countries where the system was less rigid simply have poorer and less mobile whites rather than richer and more mobile blacks or Amerindians. Racism, like nationalism, creates a sense of commonality and enfranchises poor whites. The rich whites feel that they are part of the same exclusive society as poor whites, so they are obligated to elevate the latter. Without a well-defined and openly supported system of racial discrimination, you will have a more materialistic and predatory system of class discrimination with unvoiced racist elements, as in 'racially democratic' Brazil.

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Every single New World country has similar racial hierarchies. The countries where the system was less rigid simply have poorer and less mobile whites rather than richer and more mobile blacks or Amerindians. Racism, like nationalism, creates a sense of commonality and enfranchises poor whites. The rich whites feel that they are part of the same exclusive society as poor whites, so they are obligated to elevate the latter. Without a well-defined and openly supported system of racial discrimination, you will have a more materialistic and predatory system of class discrimination with unvoiced racist elements, as in 'racially democratic' Brazil.


huh?


You lost me at poorer and less mobile whites....but what do you mean about MORE materialistic and predatory system of class discrimination?


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My ex husband's family is a very prominate, deep south very old family with political connections from the Revolutionary War up to now. They had an amazing amount of land and that land was worked by slaves. It's in the slave roles from the census from back in the states where they held land. And yes, they are in the history books of several southern states. When I started dated my ex, the nanny that took care of his grandmother lived on the property and she and her husband were leftovers from slaves on the plantation. The nanny's grandmother was the last slave on the property.The nanny also took care of his mother, him and died when my son was barely a year old. She was in her 80's. Her husband died in his 90's, on the farm. I'm sorry I cannot name names places or times, but these people didn't think this was out of the ordinary. This is how they were taught and brought up, especially since they were politically and socially connected. This is also the place of debutante balls, bless your hearts, and mother in laws that want total control over your household since you married her son. Certain things were expected of you, the Junior League, garden parties, the DAR, historical functions, private school, the right china and silver patterns, the hand me down expensive, been in the family for 200 years, better show it at Christmas china and silver bowls and tea services. The children must be dressed a certain way, my daughter has everything monogramed and my son was preppy. My ex, who had a doctorate, dressed in bowties and went dove hunting. It was a nightmare. I didnot grow up this way. I was an Air Force brat and had a full time job. It was too much. We divorced
But yes, the black nanny and maid did and does exsist.

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As I was told here by 3 different users, Your Grandma's maid didn't like here and you were a child and didn't know but she wasn't part of your family. That maid was there because she needed something. If she hadn't needed work, do you think she would have cared at all for your family. She went home and told stories on your family and her so called loyalty was fake just like your grandma's. If the Maid had not needed ya'll, she surely wouldn't have been around you. They didn't like you or your family and you were a child and didn't have better sense. She didn't respect your grandma cause she just had to work and probably resented the fact she had to be around white peoples all day. Do you think she was there because she wanted to be?

Yes I know, it hurts. that was what was told to me with a story just like yours. Only My Grandparents had a great big farm and lived strictly off the land and the neighboring Blacks respected my family very well and would voluntarily come over and help out and my Granddaddy took very good care of them in return. They played with us children. We would have gotten the worst spanking for disrespecting one of them. They sat at our table many, many nights and ate supper and the farm house would be full on every porch after canning and cooking all day. These people have so much hate they find it hard to believe that people actually did care about each other regardless of color. It has only since I have been on here that I have reflected back on my childhood with a different perspective of the motives of the Blacks who filled my Grandma's house. Not one or 2 but up to 8 on a working day. We all had good memories. My Aunts and uncles had maids too but that was a crime even though they were treated in no way close to "The Help". It was a well paying respectful job for them. Most colored people were known and Respected for WHO they worked for and it gave them social status back then. The maids of the socialites were to be revered. But here, it is HATE and Bigotry. I'm surprised to see you didn't get the backlash I got. But I share your similar memories. Amazing how hate can really change our perception of things.

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And treated her well.


Well I didn't read the whole thread but I'm sorry that you seemed to get ripped apart for your innocent post. Don't let anyone on the internet destroy good memories that you have from your childhood! Some people just have to pounce and hate. You have an interesting take on something that many people in this country have no idea about! Hang onto your memories, and thanks for sharing😁
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