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Calling Mia crazy or evil does NOT prove Allen Innocent!


Again, let's run through the logic.

Proving one side of an argument wrong does not prove that the other side is correct, both suppositions in an argument can be wrong. And when two persons argue, proving that one party is a horrible person doesn't mean that the other person is good, it's possibly and even likely that two completely horrible people can get in a fight.

Really, from here it sure as hell looks like both Mia and Woody are awful people.

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Of course. And documentaries like these are replete with logical fallacies as well. First and foremost, docs are about compelling storytelling and drawing viewers -- not objectivity and truth. As even some pro-Farrow/anti-Allen critics point out, this one undermines Dylan's experience by using the worst techniques of the genre. I know docs like these are all the rage now, but they're only one rung higher in Hell than reality shows.

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>As even some pro-Farrow/anti-Allen critics point out, this one undermines Dylan's experience by using the worst techniques of the genre.

That's interesting. Do you really think people who are psychologically "wedged" in the pro-Farrow/anti-Allen position would care about subtle techniques of the genre. I mean, I can see it. I agree with you, but it's funny as I watch it I feel I know better but that many will be even more convinced by the histrionics in this fake-u-mentary. Careful, you might get me to build up some hope for the American people.

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Calling Mia crazy or evil does NOT prove Allen Innocent

Nobody has to prove that Allen is innocent. It's Mia the one that had to prove that he was guilty. That's what this white-nazi-racist thing called 'burden of proof' is about.

Really, from here it sure as hell looks like both Mia and Woody are awful people.

Woody Allen has been always highly praised by the people working in his movies, and he has one of the longest and most stable marriages in Hollywood.

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I will say I do not believe the Farrow's charges against Woody with respect to Dylan.
I think Dylan is a very disturbed person who has a lot of rage towards Woody, and
anger at her mother that Mia's authoritarian domination will not allow to come out
or be acknowledged or discussed. Somehow Mia knows how to direct this and project
it out into the public as this charge against Woody.

But, on the other hand who knows what Woody's really personal like is like. After all
in his 40's he had secret trysts with two very young girls, that may have been sexual
for their legal ages of consent. One stated in an interview that Woody introduced Mia
to her as his girlfriend, and that they had threesomes. She said that this was part of
her life and she would not change a thing.

My point is that we cannot know or judge the character of Woody Allen because there
is very little data, but the data that is out there tends to point to him doing whatever
he wants with whomever he wants and getting his way because of his charm and power.
But this is life, and it is not a crime, and even if it was it is a very small crime, that is
not child molestation, not nearly close to it.



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There was already an investigation and no proof of abuse was found. Mia is vindictive. She definitely turned all the children against Woody so I tend to believe she prompted Dylan. I think it's also sleazy for Mia to publicly put in doubt who Ronan's father is - as if she doesn't know.

Woody is living a normal quiet married life since he married Soon-Yi 24 years ago. Meanwhile, Mia is still bitter and jealous.

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She definitely turned all the children against Woody

According to copies of the COURT DOCUMENTS, which can be found at the link below, it was WOODY (NOT Mia) who turns the KIDS AGAINST each other and it also makes it CLEAR that MIA didn't COACH DYLAN:

https://moviechat.org/tt13990468/Allen-v-Farrow/603e603e9185a41a2ca872a9/Heres-The-1993-Woody-Allen-Custody-Ruling-In-Its-Damning-Detailed-Entirety

the ruling by Justice Elliott Wilk paints a particularly damning portrayal of Allen the father, describing him as “self-absorbed, untrustworthy and insensitive,” and undercuts the claims that Farrow was “brainwashed” by her mother into inventing the tale of her sexual molestation.


3. Mia Farrow was “not faultless as a parent,” but, “ironically,” her “principal shortcoming with respect to responsible parenting appears to have been her continued relationship with Mr. Allen.”

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4. Allen’s “self-absorption” and “lack of judgment and his commitment to the continuation of his divisive assault...warrant a careful monitoring of his future contact with the children.”

Mr. Allen's response to Dylan's claim of sexual abuse was an attack upon Ms. Farrow,
whose parenting ability and emotional stability he impugned without the support of any
significant credible evidence.

His trial strategy has been to separate his children from
their brothers and sisters; to turn the children against their mother; to divide adopted
children from biological children; to incite the family against their household help; and to
set household employees against each other.

His SELF-ABSORPTION, his LACK of JUDGEMENT, and his commitment to the continuation of his divisive assault, thereby impeding the healing of the injuries that he has already caused, warrant a careful monitoring of his future contact with the children.


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There is no link to the original report. I don't trust secondhand reporting.

From Moses Farrow's blog:
"For months now, she had been drilling it into our heads like a mantra: Woody was “evil,” “a monster,” “the devil,” and Soon-Yi was “dead to us.” This was the constant refrain, whether or not Woody was around. (So often did she repeat it that Satchel would announce to one of our nannies, “My sister is fucking my father.” He had just turned four.) My mother was our only source of information about Woody – and she was extremely convincing."

"Mia had adopted me, her seventh child, as a single parent in 1980. In 1992 she successfully petitioned to allow Woody to co-adopt both Dylan and me, writing to the adoption agency, detailing what an excellent father he was. I was thrilled when Woody officially became my father, since he had already taken on that role in my life. "

"Then, of course, the news of Woody and Soon-Yi went public – and everything changed. My mother insisted that we remove both of them from our lives, and we had no choice but to accept."
http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

I'm also going by Mia's public behavior at that time. Mia appeared on programs to denounce Woody for being with Soon-Yi. It was obvious that she didn't want the children to have any relationship with Woody including his biological son. At the time, Mia gave Soon-Yi an ultimatum in which she could return if she broke up with Woody. When she didn't, the children weren't allowed to have any relationship with her or Woody. I'm 100% against a parent using children as a weapon against another like she did.

I'm also going by what Soon-Yi and now Moses said about her which confirms emotional abuse by Mia.

BTW, I'm not saying that Woody doesn't have issues, too. I never liked the guy. But, it's Mia who keeps trying to wreck Woody's career because he dumped her.

Another judge allowed Woody and Soon-Yi to adopt two children.

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In the COURT DOCUMENT the JUDGE clearly states that there was NO PROOF whatsoever that MIA had manipulated the kids. On the other hand, the CUSTODY DOCUMENTS describe how WOODY was the one who tried to turn them against each other.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866


(QUOTE)Mr. Allen's response to Dylan's claim of sexual abuse was an attack upon Ms. Farrow,
whose parenting ability and emotional stability he impugned without the support of any
significant credible evidence.

His trial strategy has been to separate his children from
their brothers and sisters; to turn the children against their mother; to divide adopted
children from biological children; to incite the family against their household help; and to
set household employees against each other.(END QUOTE)

And Here's EVIDENCE of the reason why what MOSES has to say is NOT TRUSTWORTHY:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts

10 Undeniable Facts About the Woody Allen Sexual-Abuse Allegation


6. Dylan’s claim of abuse was consistent with the testimony of three adults who were present that day.

On the day of the alleged assault, a babysitter of a friend told police and gave sworn testimony that Allen and Dylan went missing for 15 or 20 minutes, while she was at the house.

Another babysitter told police and also swore in court that on that same day, she saw Allen with his head on Dylan’s lap facing her body, while Dylan sat on a couch “staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.”

A French tutor for the family told police and testified that that day she found Dylan was not [wearing underpants under her sundress.

The first babysitter also testified she did not tell Farrow that Allen and Dylan had gone missing until after Dylan made her statements.

These sworn accounts contradict Moses Farrow’s recollection of that day in People magazine.


This DIRECT link to the ORIGINAL REPORT is also provided in the other link that you were given:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866

And the Vanity Fair and DAILYMAIL links that you've been given also PROVES the reason why what MOSES says isn't TRUSTWORTHY (due to the way it explains how WOODY also tried to BRIBE both RONAN and MOSES telling them he would PAY FOR THEIR COLLEGE EDUCATION and for their SUPPORT if they would ATTACK their MOTHER in the PRESS).

RONAN turned down the offer, but MOSES took it, which also means he's been PAID by WOODY ALLEN to say the DEROGARTORY things that he says about his mother.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5768761/Ronan-Farrow-defends-mother-sister-adoptive-brother-sided-father-Woody-Allen.html

(QUOTE):After relentless legal scrutiny of my mother's parenting—and efforts to discredit her—she was granted sole custody to protect us from Woody Allen.

We all grew up with offers from him to speak out against our mother in exchange for support. (He made helping to pay for my college education contingent on turning against her and lying. I declined.)

'I believe my sister,' Ronan added.

Dylan Farrow responded to her brother's (MOSES) latest statements

'It's easily disproven, contradicts years of his own statements

My brother is a troubled person. I'm so sorry he's doing this.'
(END QUOTE]


PLUS the VANITY FAIR link also reveals to us how (after ALLEN tried to DENY that he'd ever been IN the ATTIC BEFORE), THE INVESTIGATORS also FOUND WOODY'S HAIR on a PICTURE in the ATTIC where he SEXUALLY MOLESTED 7 yr old DYLAN.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts

(QUOTE)8. Allen changed his story about the attic where the abuse allegedly took place.

First, Allen told investigators he had never been in the attic where the alleged abuse took place.

After his hair was found on a painting in the attic, he admitted that he might have stuck his head in once or twice.

A top investigator concluded that his account was not credible. (END QUOTE)


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Moses reestablished a relationship with his father so Mia and his siblings have cut him off. That's the behavior I'm talking about when I wrote that Mia is using the children as a weapon.

What you wrote re: college makes no sense. Woody is Ronan and Moses' father, therefore he's required by law to support them financially including education until they're 21. A "deal" wouldn't be needed.

I read Soon-Yi's interviews when she started dating Woody. She was extremely bitter towards Mia and said Mia lied about her being retarded and she felt neglected and abused by her. Moses is only confirming what Soon-Yi said many years ago.

"Mia Farrow children’s nanny, Monica Thompson gave two sworn affidavits saying Mia had tried to coax her into backing the molestation charge, then said Allen “was always the better parent and all the things Farrow is saying about him are not true”."

I followed your link in search of the original report, but it's missing. I want to see the actual judgment signed by the judge. The Vanity article is an opinion piece from a biased person. Two of Mia's children say there was abuse. Two others died by suicide. She's no mother of the year.

I should point out that at that time, the much bigger story was Woody dating Soon-Yi, not the Dylan abuse charge which was barely in the newspapers. Mia was giving interviews everywhere trying to turn the public against him for taking up with Soon-Yi. Mia's "outrage" over Dylan is more recent.

Woody was already investigated and no abuse was substantiated. It's pointless to try the case online.

Woody and Soon-Yi have been married for 24 years! Mia is bitter and needs to move on.

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he's required by law to support them financially including education until they're 21. A "deal" wouldn't be needed.

Not sure what it would be in NY, but In Some states the CUT OFF age for support of a child is AGE 18.

And a PARENT is also NOT REQUIRED by law to PAY for the COLLEGE EDUCATION of a child.

The ISSUE with SOON-YI is how she was RAISED by WOODY since she'd been 12 yrs old, and he then BETRAYED that ROLE he had as her STEP PARENT when he began having SEX with her while she's still IN HIGH SCHOOL (a fact which was also PROVEN by the MAID who found the CONDUMS and SEMEN STAINS on the SHEETS and by the DOORMAN who recalls her wearing her HIGH SCHOOL UNIFORM).

And since ALLEN NEVER LIVED with MIA or with the kids, one also gets the feeling this NANNY may have also been PAID OFF to say what she does by WOODY (just like RONAN says the case is with MOSES which is also BACKED UP and PROVEN by what the COURT DOCUMENTS have to say WOODY DID by his ATTEMPTS to turn the KIDS and HOUSEKEEPERS another the other HIRED HELP against each other and MIA).

Try to keep in MIND what a MASTER MANIPULATER ALLEN is and all of the MONEY that he had to get others to SAY whatever he wanted them to say.

The HUFFINGTON POST LINK has the ORIGINAL COURT DOCUMENTS listed there. Sorry to hear that you can't see it. Perhaps the problem is you don't live here in the USA??? Because for some reason other countries will also BLOCK other countries from being able to view or see certain content of something???

No one is trying to claim MIA is a PERFECT mother or should be nominated as MOTHER of the YEAR. The COURT DOCUMENTS (which have also been QUOTED) also state that fact as well.

A study also indicates that ADOPTED kids are 4 TIMES more likely to take their own lives as kids who grow up with their parent(s). So, imo, placing the blame onto MIA for their chose is also not fair.

No one is trying to TRY the case online. All one is doing is trying to GATHER UP the FACTS in an effort to try to better comprehend what happened.

It would also be INTERESTING to hear from the other 2 GIRLS that SOON-YI ADOPTED about what their lives have been like when they grew up in the same household as ALLEN. Have they ever been INTERVIEWED before????









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The official months-long investigation showed zip wrongdoing by Woody. You're reading gossip put out by Mia's decades-long smear campaign.

Woody was never Soon-Yi's step-father. He was never around her until Mia asked him to take her to a ballgame and spend time with her. She was a legal adult in college at that time.

Nobody ever accused Woody of sexual abuse except jealous Mia.

Woody and Soon-Yi's daughters are happy and both attend college. They defended their father against Mia. BTW, a judge OKd the adoption to Woody.

Personally, I don't fault Dylan because she was brainwashed by Mia.

Woody has a happy family life while Mia is bitter and vengeful. Her children appear as miserable as she is.

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On the CONTRARY, you seem to be the one who is reading MISINFORMATION about MIA that's been provided to you by the PR SMEAR CAMPAIGN that WOODY has waged against MIA because he has the MOST MONEY which also enables him to be able to do so.

But if that's what you chose to BELIEVE that's also YOUR CHOICE, just like choosing to BELIEVE what all of these other EYE WITNESSES (including THE VICTIM of the SEXUAL MOLESTATION herself) said happened is MY CHOICE.

And there's also NOTHING whatsoever to PROVE WOODY has had a happy home life either. In fact, my guess is after his DEATH those other 2 girls that have been ADOPTED by SOON-YI will come forth and have plenty more to say about the way they've been mistreated while they were growing up.


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I'm going by my memory when it actually happened.
Mia was screaming about Woody to the press when she discovered the nude photos of Soon-Yi. It made the 6 o'clock news and was frontpage news for weeks. Mia assaulted Soon-Yi. Mia then interviewed with Howard Stern and others trying to get everyone to hate Woody in her smear campaign. I heard the Stern interview and I had a problem with her hypocrisy about Soon-Yi's stealing her boyfriend because Mia broke up Previn's marriage.

Woody replaced her in his movie. After her initial smear, she still wanted to be in his movie which was odd.

Mia has no career without Woody putting her in his movies. Another reason for her anger.

Mia's smear campaign is 25+ years long.

98% of the media attention and Mia's outrage was about Soon-Yi and Woody dating each other. Dylan story was a very minor mention much later after the original story died down and was barely a blip in the news. Mia changing Ronan's name garnered more attention. BTW, Satchel was the name that Woody had picked from a famous black baseball player.

Woody and Soon-Yi have a long successful marriage so Mia can't complain about that now. She can only repeatedly dragout the Dylan story which was already disproven by an official investigation.

I believe the only abuse is Mia manipulating the children to hate their father and not allowing them to see him. She made it clear to Soon-Yi if she didn't dump Woody then she wouldn't be allowed to see her siblings or her anymore. That's more manipulation on Mia's part!

Now, Mia has a 4-part TV show attacking Woody! She's a narcissist and drama queen.

Woody doesn't shove his daughters in front of the media like Mia does with her kids. Woody's live quiet lives.

Shortly after Woody married, the media mentioned how normal and ordinary Woody's life became. Mia & Woody together were never normal. They adopted children together, but Woody refused to live with Mia because she kept adopting children.

Mia's fee from HBO?

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Mia has no career without Woody putting her in his movies. Another reason for her anger.


Until she retires, Looks like MIA has WORKED almost EVERY SINGLE YEAR ever since her break up with WOODY, which means when YOU'RE this MISINFORMED about that MATTER then one shouldn't RELY upon anything else that you've said to be TRUSTWORTHY enough to believe either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Farrow_on_screen_and_stage

FILM:

1994 Widows' Peak Miss Katherine O'Hare/Clancy [5]
1995 Miami Rhapsody Nina Marcus [5]
1995 Reckless Rachel [5]
96 (STAGE WORK)
1997 Private Parts Herself [13]
98 (DISNEY TELEVISION WORK)
1999 Forget Me Never Diane McGowin Television film [14]
1999 Coming Soon Judy Hodshell [5]
(2000 - 2003 TV WORK and STAGE )
2001 A Girl Thing Betty McCarthy Television film [15]
2002 The Secret Life of Zoey Marcia Carter Television film [16]
2002 Purpose Anna Simmons [17]
2004 Samantha: An American Girl Holiday Grandmary Edwards Television film [18]
2005 (STAGE WORK)
2006 The Omen Mrs. Baylock [5]
2007 Arthur and the Invisibles Daisy Suchot [19]
2007 The Ex Amelia Kowalski [20]
2008 Be Kind Rewind Miss Falewicz [5]
2008 As We Forgive Narrator [21]
2009 Arthur and the Revenge of Maltazard Daisy Suchot [22]
2010 Arthur 3: The War of the Two Worlds Daisy Suchot [23]
2011 Dark Horse Phyllis
2014 (STAGE WORK)
2016 (TV WORK)

TELEVISION:

1998 The Wonderful World of Disney Doris Koster Episode: "Miracle at Midnight" [27]
2000–2003 Third Watch Mona M
itchell 5 episodes [28]
2016 Documentary Now! Herself

STAGE:

1996 Getting Away with Murder Dr. Bering's Wife Broadhurst Theatre [39]
1999 Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? Honey Majestic Theatre [40]
2000 Ahmanson Theatre
2002 The Exonerated Sunny Jacobs US tour [41]
2003 Fran's Bed Fran Long Wharf Theatre [42]
2005 Playwrights Horizons
2014 Love Letters

Next time before you TRY to LIE again about her career being OVER with after her break up with ALLEN, at least have sense enough use A SEARCH engine to see if what you've said is CORRECT or not. That way you also won't end up looking as FOOLISH as you do now for having LIED.


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Her acting career is in the toilet. She STARRED in critically acclaimed movies. Now, she does bit parts. Huge difference in the quality of roles since she angered her meal ticket Woody who used to put her in many of his films.

We should just agree to disagree.

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CORRECTION:

PROFESSIONALLY MIA was doing FINE BEFORE WOODY, and she obviously also did just FINE career wise after her relationship with him ENDED.

And the LAME ATTEMPTS on your part to try to LIE and suggest otherwise is also PATHETIC.


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Every one of your comments and replies is a lie. It's all about what you are determined to obsess over despite all the evidence. None of your comments or replies have ever dealt with any of the facts, you just try to yell louder and post more and longer boldface screaming and links that don't go where you say they, prove what you say they prove or end up anywhere at all.

The Allen V. Farrow documentary is just like your comments here ... jumping from one sensational claim to the other to make the viewer doubt Woody, and totally leaves out the evidence that Mia is crazy over this.

You can believe what you want, but don't pretend it makes sense or has any factual basis, or that you have objectively and without bias looked at the facts.

You accuse people of lying when quoting facts that are well known and easy to find. You point to court documents, like Mia, and spin them as if they say things they do not say, or are about cases they are not even about, such as claiming the custody trial had anything to do with Mia's molestation charge, which was never a charge, and never went to trial?

Remember innocent until proven guilty. Your made up innuendos and smears do not prove anything.

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NY is 21. Ronan started college when he was 11.

Your gossip sources are unaware of many basic facts.

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