Worse than bad...STUPID!!!


Like many people here, I would agree that this was a very poor film with an incredibly bad ending. What was really stupid was the idea that there is "inbred" dangerous trailer trash living in Bergen County, NJ! Bergen County, NJ is one of the most affluent counties in the United States, largely populated by wealthy professionals who work next door in Manhattan. The small parts of the Appalachian trail that reside in NJ are completely commercialized for Boy Scouts and yuppie hikers and the only people who live there are those wealthy enough to build their own homes by these magnificent views. By what ignorance and disregard for realism does the filmmaker want to place characters from Deliverance into this elite suburb? It's like the filmmaker wanted so badly to emulate elements of The Deer Hunter and Deliverance that he just randomly decided to make up a completely ridiculous claim about an upscale suburban New Jersey area. Obviously there are much dumber people in Hollywood than there are in NJ!

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I'm afraid I can't read through all these posts, but someone elsewhere suggested that the film was set in the 70's as an homage to the revenge movies of that decade. I wasn't aware there the 70's were known for revenge films, but I guess there were a lot, think Charles Bronson movies, for instance.

Maybe there was still a little of the hillbilly on a mountain in New Jersey back then, and the irony might be that progress cleared his leavings away like almost nothing else could do to defy him except, in the end, someone who turns out to be the real living breathing relative of someone you killed as if he were a gnat. I live in west Central Florida and there is no relation between the beauty of the place 40 years ago and the cosmopolitan sometimes concrete jungle we have today where people don't even think of going to the beach anymore, not that it is unpolluted anyway. Are the upscale houses in the New Jersey area of which you speak new or rehabilitated? It's hard for an outsider such as myself to imagine Jersey having enough land somewhere in it to get lost in but I do know it has plenty of farm land so I think I could see that.

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It's not set in the 70s. America wasn't fighting in Iraq in the 70s.

Most of the story takes place in Braddock, Pennsylvania. DeGroat and his guys are from a backwoods part of New Jersey in the hills of Bergen County. Hence all the references to a five hour drive.

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And yes there are plenty of unpopulated and rundown places in Jersey between the towns and cities. Google the Pine Barrens. I've hunted in NJ my whole life. Plenty of woods.

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I lived in Orange County (New York) which borders the Appalachian trail and Sussex county New Jersey. I do not know where you live, but Sussex county is more inbred and dangerous once you really find the drug folks than any place I been in the south and I've been all over the south from Alabama to Louisiana to Texas. Nothing like Woody, but certainly just as crazy. Every wealthy area still has their underbelly, regardless of what you think. You just need to know where to look.

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That's because the movie is a metaphor for the inbred maniacs that run the country from affuent neighbourhoods such as (drum roll please) Bergen County, NJ! And how they use our brothers to fight for them except they are actually sending them in to lose the battles. The american army is the biggest fall guy in the world. This movie is an attempt by tavistock institute to program the simple minded folks of the US of A to fight back against the bloodsuckers that have taken control through polarization into fear-based thinking. Their are a whole bunch of other little ones dispersed throughout.

Many a moviegoer is ultimately unaware of the true origins of film, however those born in the military class are largely aware of how this thing got started.

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Either you are just pulling "facts" out of your a$$ or you actually live in Bergen County but in a bubble away from the characters depicted in this film. They most certainly do exist and reside within Bergen County. From where do you think all the rich high school kids get their heroin and meth? Ever heard of Angel Alvarez fro Bergen? Biggest drug kingpin in the tri-state area and ran his drug business out of guess where??? Yep. Elite suburb indeed. As per usual, the "parents" are too busy traveling the world and having affairs to raise their children who are left home alone with servants to raise them and $2000/week allowances. Bergen is like a candy apple...one in which the apple is rotten.

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Soo much cute male american angst in this movie! Bale with his St Tropez tanned but dusky face and greasy hair in designer flannel shirts and texture knitted sweaters carried suffering not just for himself but for his poor war torn angry brother and his worn out father. They covered and projected it all here in the american backwoods nowhere.

Scott Cooper is a disappointment.

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What the hell are you even talking about? I live in PA and that lifestyle isn't a farcry from what I've seen. I enjoy the film because it reflects the angst of the lower/working class and how hopelessly *beep* some areas are. It's no different where I live, an entire county with only one decent place to work and make a living, everything else is exploitative or minimum wage. Unless you've seen it for yourself or lived the life, which you obviously haven't, then I doubt you'd understand or care for that matter since it conflicts with your narrow minded point of view. *beep* off with your arrogant, clueless rhetoric.

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I agree with you. It helped ruin the movie for me. Movie made it look like Bergen County was West Virginia. Even the actor's accents sounded Southern...nothing like PA or a North Jersey accents at all. Of course, there's farmland and rural areas in every single state, including Hawaii and especially in New York state, but this just seemed too drastic. I think most people agree that wrong filming locations in an area you know well...can pretty much ruin a movie for you !

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So what? People travel. I've lived in Allegheny County and people certainly talked like that in the more rural areas. Hell, even as far up as WV there are heavy "southern" accents.

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The whole time I thought it was West Virginia beyond Pittsburg. So I had no deep concerns as you did tobyd. At any rate......PLEASE, Go back to The HOURS or AMERICAN BEAUTY for your pseudo "smart" sheat.

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