I think the movie would have been way better in maybe an old style, or similar to the camera's used for say Mobsters. Mann's digital Camera style worked well for Collateral and dare I say it...Miami Vice..but this one..not so much...Sorry Mann.... but hey, your still uhhhh "the man".
shareUsing a less than state of the art camera is nothing but a cheap gimick that mann tried to use to attract people to his movie. What he should have thought out was it was a Depp movie featuring Bale he didn't need to pull some artsy facade as an attraction. The script was brilliant, the acting superb. When it's all said and done when I go a movie I want to just enjoy the movie, not constantly try and filter through a directors BAD camera work to catch some of the actors brilliance.
sharequite the opposite, i felt it made the movie, really made it feel like you were there in the 30's, as did the sound.
shareI wonder how many people have a 120/240 hz tv and blame the digital camara for that video tape motion like soap opera effect.
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I thought it looked good, very immersive choice than the usual celluloid period piece.
I'm sure it fits a certain crowd, however try to appreciate what Michael Mann's doing for immersing the audience. Especially since his rumored Medieval movie will most likely be shot in High Definition.
I was going to suggest this. I have a plasma TV and it looked great. I've visited people with LED TVs and they have the settings wrong and movies look bad; there's what I call a "stacked" effect.
shareHe didn't want the typical period feel. He wanted to make it feel as if you were actually there in the 30s. "hyperreal" as he put it. It didn't diminish the movie for me.
shareI see what your saying imemminger and I figured that's what he tried but, I guess what messed it up to was the fact that he wanted it to be "hyper real" but the writing and the situations didn't reflect the hyperealism he was going for, so it kinda was going in to too many directions film wise. If you are going to go for hyperrealism make sure your writing and everything is also in line with the hyerrealism, but you do make a valid point I see what your saying.
shareThree-camera sitcoms are shot on 30 FPS video, and they feel the opposite of real to me.
shareThe first time I watched it (was on HBO India I think), I was doing some work on my comp simultaneously and this couldn't turn my attention away from it (my attention is very easy to distract) and I even shut it down after 30 minutes. Will try again tonight. The movies' poster though is very fascinating (Johnny Depp smiling slyly is enough not to go for anything else!)
shareI have to say I thought it was rather refreshing to see a film shot differently. It felt more authentic, and with the exception of the night shots coming out less than black, I thought the camerawork was brilliant throughout the whole picture.
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Michael Mann has been on an endless quest to bump up the realism in his films. That naturally means less and less reliance on the style and cliches of camera work and sound design. It means less obviously artificial lighting, less goofy slow-motion. If this is what you mean by "looked like some college student filmed" it, then you may have a point. Students don't have the time or budget to totally f *ck up any sense of being in the real world.
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"The sound was awful"
I wasn't a fan of the digital camera, but the sound effects in that scene were awesome, what are you talking about?
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i totally agree
although i was not too interested in this film (scriptwise), i figured i may as well sit down to watch this since Depp and Bale are in it
but geez i did not like the camera at all
more authentic and realistic my arse, my eyeline is a lot more steady than that camera
and even when it was not steady for effect, it wasn't even required, it didn't add to the film at all
Poor Michael Mann. He tries to give his movies a more realistic look and feel and people just come out complaining that it didn't look enough like a "movie" to enjoy. Oh well.
shareMann's films could never feel like TV, he's too evolved a film-maker. But emulsion still captures details between light and dark that digital still hasn't mastered a 100%. Curtis Hanson went for a very contemporary feel in "L.A.Confidential" yet he never once made us feel that the film was not set in period. And he did it on film. It's a creative choice. I for one, miss the natural dusty details one gets on emulsion. Period movies shot on film don't always have to look like a Jane Austen flick. It can be sharp and hyper-real, with just that extra bit of detail in the twilight and night sequences, and ofcourse, dust/natural armosphere.
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well..
dont get me wrong. i totally understand what hes trying. but it just not work for me at all.
there is not a single moment in the movie that you think or feel its real..
that hyperrealism is just not happening.
it looks like the cheapest low budget production from somewhere in europe.
i think we already have enough digital looking stuff nowadays. like people now only taking pictures with mobile phones or cheap digital cameras. and also companies remastering every single movie to make it look sharper on blue ray. i just think it looks fake and ugly.
Honestly, I was expecting it to be far more noticeable. I actually enjoyed the asthetic value of it. I found Ali was much more grainy (Still loved that movie though). I had heard a lot of isht about PE being shot with a digital camera and how it really took away from the movie and by the time I got around to seeing it, I had forgotten about it and didnt notice until I remembered half way through. Great flick.
shareI think the digital camera was harmful only in that it sets up an expectation of accuracy and realism that the script does not deliver on.
The right solution would be an improved and more historically accurate script, not a more romantic visual approach.
Good Point.
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