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Would You Let Your 10 Year Old Daughter Play Esther?


I just saw this film last night, I enjoyed it throughly. However I felt that it was a quite shocking to see such a young girl be so muderous and provocative. My question for you all is if your daughter was offered the part of Eshter, would you let her? I know its acting but I don't think I would let my daughter do such risque and violent scenes. I feel that children these days grow up so fast being exposed to such sexual and violent matters and I would try to shield them from it as much as I could until they are able to handle it. Discuss.

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Depends on the kid; at young ages Natalie Portman did Leon (the Director's Cut is way more provocative than the TR - she gets to murder people and almost begs Leon for sex) and Chloe Moretz did Kick-Ass (cursing like heck, murdering people graphically), and now both actresses have gone off the rails and lapsed into drugs and booze and se ... oh wait, no they haven't.




Please do not make negative comments about a film YOU NEVER SAW. It makes you look stupid.

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I don't give a damn, Portman's role in that film was insane at her age.

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Because? If we can't point to an adverse effect on her, what CAN we point to?




Please do not make negative comments about a film YOU NEVER SAW. It makes you look stupid.

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The fact that some things are ridiculously inappropriate regardless. If a kid sees a woman chopped up in a movie by a serial killer but manages not to appear damaged, does that mean it was fine to let them see something like that?

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I find the whole standard of appropriacy fuzzy, though. Those movies are often called inappropriate, but what about the Bible? Murder, incest, rape, incestual rape (I'm not kidding), the picturing of lovers hung like donkeys and sporting a semen output like horses, disembowelment, the licking up of human entrails by dogs, child sacrifice ... and yet if you talk about a child reading the Bible, people often say, 'Oh cool. Just don't let the kid watch one of those bad movies. Or star in them.'






Please do not make negative comments about a film YOU NEVER SAW. It makes you look stupid.

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I know what's in the Bible, I'm a Christian. And no, I don't think kids should know everything uncensored at a young age. But likewise, the Bible doesn't go into details about some of the nastiest things like, say, a dumb little 13-year-old begging for sex from an older guy. How sick. Plus, the Bible recorded historical events, while some idiot just made that film up for "entertainement".

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Plus, the Bible recorded historical events


Pffft! My arse it did.

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Sorry, I didn't know you were ignorant of the Jews' slavery, King David's reign, Christ's life, and various generations of families recorded.

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If Hollywood offers the right amount of money parents will let their kids be in anything.

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I would not. There are times when children are in provocative movies and are protected from the violence/sex, but this is not one of them. The dialogue alone is far too adult to have any child say it.

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At one point I was shooting a low budget horror film. Blood, gore the whole 9 yards. And I let my niece take part in it and she was about 7 at the time. If anything it helped her NOT be afraid of horror films, because she realized with all the props, and fake blood and effects going on, that it was all make believe.

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RRhees,

Not necessarily.

It all depends on the parents. If the parents are supportive after the fame is gone, then generally the former child actor does okay.

The idea of "naive and innocent" is ludicrous at best. The problem is that is the core of new age/new style/helicopter parenting. We are creating a generation that is completely unprepared for adulthood. We are creating a generation that has no survival skills, no critical thinking skills, and very few coping skills.

People that grew up before the 90's, developed these skills from interaction with the environment, and with each other. Today's kids are isolated, and actually and ACTIVELY discouraged to interact with neighbors, other kids and their environment.

There's more to this but that's all for now.

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Actually, kids are exposed tp junk now more than ever and should be innocent for as long as possible; there's a time and place for different lessons. Being exposed to show business without proper protection is definitely bad for a kid, or anyone with no shield.

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But WS, the point I'm trying to make is this. We as a society, are infantalizing children to the point that we have lost the ability to deal with them in any meaningful fashion and even in some cases, where normal behavior is seen as a problem. It's the whole idea of innocence to the extreme. The idea of "innocence" is strictly made up. It didn't exist as recently as 100 years ago.

It's because of this thinking that kids are suffering, they are NOT learning what they need to truly survive in the adult world.

Another example, the adult thinking for children is that sex is horrible and that in the case of teens, they simply cannot deal with the consequences. It's BS. In foreign countries, proper sex ed and availability of birth control, and RESPONSIBLE education toward sex, has led a drastic DROP in teen pregnancy, etc. Yet here, we can't seem to get past the moral aspects that kids are left in the dark about how to actually DEAL with it.

Also, bullying is pretty much American thing also. While bullies exist in countries such as Russia, Russian kids are far more equipped to deal with issues such as online bullying. I was going to this russian video chat site for a while. I saw so many kids tell ppl to eff off if they didn't like what was being posted. They banned people, kicked them out. It's night and day how kids are being told here how to deal with it.


Here? There's so much BS about trying to salvage the child's feelings, asking the child how they felt about what's going on, yet they have no clue about how to deal with the event that upset them in the first place. We now live in a country where the BULLY gets off with no punishment, while the one that fights back, is the one that gets the suspension.

We have a generation that's terrified of their shadow for NO LOGICAL REASON.

Anyway, rant over. Getting off my soapbox now.

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Sex IS bad for teens, and they've shown even without pregnancies they can act terribly or have bad consequences. And are you kidding? In Victorian times, we had numerous flowery paintings, frilly dresses, and even tying babies' hands together so they couldn't touch themselves. This is beyond the modern American idea of innocence.

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Real experience.

I never said that kids can't do things. In fact, I taught Basic Electronics to a group of 5th graders in the 90's. This one student, a ten year old girl,saved my rear when she repaired one of the amps that I use in my DJ service failed two hours before the gig (even though it was partially my fault for not taking care of it, I had the part, just got lazy about putting in in). She turned it on, diagnosed what was wrong (this was a 1960's vintage tube amp, with very high voltage), pulled the part, soldered the new one in and it was good to go. That repair is still holding today.

My point?

That situation never would have happened today because it would be considered "too dangerous" and that the student was too young to be able to do this.


While your nephew might be the exception, the other half of this screen time, constant texting, etc, is causing serious social issues. Example-the Kindergarten teachers I work with say that Kindergarten kids literally have to be taught to play and how to properly interact with peers. These teachers can tell which kids have more balanced lives (play/tv time/comp time)simply because they know how interact with their peers.

Let me reiterate that-They have to be taught how to play. Before the 90's, these kids would have been outside, interacting with other kids and there environment, they learned social skills, problem solving and had the freedom to learn about the world around them. This is not the case today. Perceived "stranger danger" (which, by the way, is essentially bullshiat)and other perceived dangers has led to a situation where kids are stuck inside a house all day. (I do realize that some neighborhoods are different and are a bit more free).


Today's kids do not how handle problems such as bullying because aren't giving the correct tools to deal with it OR in some cases, are actually punished for fighting back. Before the 90's, the kid that generally fought back against the bully, would be left alone after that.

My nephew's Little League team did not keep score for the first three years he played. The problem? They were afraid that it would hurt the other kids feelings if they lost.

The REAL problem? They aren't getting any grounding, or that sometimes, life just isn't fair. This also affects the ones who might be turn out be good players, but lack the incentive to improve. This is also the same team that the players received trophies just for SHOWING UP.



Helicopter parents are set on micromanaging their kids lives, constant supervision, etc, when in actually, they are doing their kids a serious disservice.













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No I wouldn't

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I am not a girl, but I am rather positive that it would not have affected me badly at that age to play a killer like Esther. I was exposed to horror movies from the age of five on and have been rather desensitized since them.

The reason I bring this up is because if I ever have kids, they won't be watching horror movies before age 13. The sort of things I was watching, and admittedly enjoying at those ages, are not things I want my kids to have to go through. I haven't had any ill effects, other than once in a while being too scared as a child to go to sleep and waiting for the sun to come up. However, by age 11, I wasn't doing that any more because I wasn't scared.

On the other side, as a child psychologist, I have seen many kids who have not been able to take it as well as I did.

And just a note, I LOVE horror movies and I in absolutely no way hold any horror movie makers accountable for anything. Although I am sure I will never be a parent, if I ever was I recognize the responsibility is mine not the movie makers.

And also, sometimes I wonder if I was not allowed to watch them at such a young age if there would have been more of a thrill sneaking off to watch them.


EDIT: okay, I realize I went off on a tangent and did not even answer the question. No I would not if they were 10.

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I would not. Isabelle (the child who played Esther) was 11 or 12 when she done Orphan, and with such a film I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with my 12 year old daughter doing the scenes Isabelle done.

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