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I can't stand them!

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do you have children?

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I do not. But if I had, I would introduce them to diversity.

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So you would groom your own children?

I'm glad you don't have kids then.

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OK, Tucker Carlson.

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How exactly is it grooming?

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i groomed my children to be upstanding members of society.

So I guessing that you didn't even bothering teaching your children the difference between right and wrong?

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Exposing your kids to degeneracy and conditioning them accept or participate in sexual deviancy is WRONG and doesn't make them upstanding members of society, it makes them perverts and it makes you a monster.

Raising your boys to be strong masculine men and raising your girls to embrace their natural feminine traits while also teaching them to be traditionally conservative with Christian values and a strong patriotic love of their country, their history, their heritage and their people is RIGHT.

If you program your kids to be woke and leftwing then you have failed and you and your kids are garbage humans who will make this once great nation even more of a diverse multicultural gay shithole then it already is.

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Homosexuality is not degenerate; people who think this need to get their minds out of the gutter. Why should I be interested in christian values while living in a country that promises freedom of religion and the right to not practice any religion at all?

I made sure my children were aware of injustice that exists all around them so they did not become one of the oppressors.

Remember, just because homosexuals exist, does not mean you have to be one.

So which cultures are acceptable to exist in the USA? Can you be specific?

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That's a lot of words to type just to say that you're a leftist nutjob. Being gay is not okay and it never was. I guess the propaganda really worked on you.

Anyways, it is not appropriate to introduce all of this sexuality to children. And before you reply with "wHaT iF tHeY wErE a StRaIgHt CoUpLe?". It wouldn't be acceptable then if they were doing anything more than kissing. Straight is normal and healthy and is how we and all other animals reproduce. It is simply not the same.

And yes, homosexuality is degenerate. Gay rights was a mistake and is the slippery slope that is on it's way to legalized incestsexuality, zoosexuality and pedosexuality.

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Teaching your children to not oppress others is not a sign of a leftist nutjob.

"Incestsexuality, zoosexuality and pedosexuality" is mainly a problem associated with people who call themselves straight. Claiming it is a gay problem is like denying it exists or is not a problem that straight people need be concerned with.

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Teaching your children to not oppress others...


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"Incestsexuality, zoosexuality and pedosexuality" is mainly a problem associated with people who call themselves straight.


If they're straight then by definition they would be into that shit. A man who has sex with little boys is by definition a homosexual and many of the drag queens and transgender activists are also convicted sex offender or have advocated, to some extent, the normality or M.A.P.s.

You can try to deflect all you want but when you start to research the origin of all this nonsense including the term and concept of gender then you will see that those things are deeply intertwined into the history of the LGBTP. Even NAMBLa played a founding role in the LGBTP movement. Look it up.

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Show me your research, if it actually exists then.

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Well, for starters, this wonderful woman makes a lot of thorough and in depth videos on these subjects. Start here.

https://www.youtube.com/c/SydneyWatson/videos

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What little I've seen of this dingbat tells me that she is nuts. If her videos are what you call research, then it seems you are fine with others telling you how to feel and think on certain matters.

You probably do not have any original thoughts of your own .

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She actually does her research and presents it thoroughly. I provided you a portal to begin your journey and you rejected it.

Your opinion of her tells me everything I need to know about you and that is that you are a damn commie.

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Nope. I'm a retired Sailor, amateur gunsmith, shooting coach, silencer maker and all around good guy.

I think Trump is a RINO gun grabber with a legion of people who care more about their favorite politician than their own integrity.

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Everything you said is stupid and I feel more stupid for having read it. You are literally the only person in the world who would call Trump a RINO.

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No. Trump is a gun grabber and a RINO. I'm not the only one who thinks so. https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/577939-i-voted-for-trump-in-2020-he-proved-to-be-the-ultimate-rino-in-2021/

Read these links.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/user-clip-trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

Or perhaps you think Trump's amendment of the CFR is fake and C-Span is fake?

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Is this the part you're getting your panties in a twist over?

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Honestly, my issue with the movie isn't the lesbian kiss, it's the forced diversity and all these black characters in movies and TV shows in recent years that is part of an intentional plan to further normalize and encourage diversity and multiculturalism. If you pay attention to ads or commercials on TV you'll notice the extremely high amount of interracial couples.

Take this movie for example. Everyone is focusing on the lesbian kiss which is bad but are seemingly too afraid of being labeled racist by mentioning the fact that the ugly black lesbian character is only black due to these forced diversity initiatives and they are also failing to point that it is also an interracial lesbian couple at that.

The intense blackwashing of Western\White culture such as Amazon's new Lord of The Rings series where they introduce a black elf, a black dwarf and a black hobbit is all part of the larger White Replacement agenda and this Lightyear movie is just the latest example of that. Netflix is famous for constantly race swapping White characters which is why their Cowboy Bebop adaptation failed and why their stock is tanking along with Disney's stock because of shitty shows like Obi-Wan Kenobi where they shoehorned in a talentless black actress and made her the star of the show for no other reason then that she is black and a woman. If you've seen any recent British shows, you'd think black people were 30% of the UK population when they are actually only 3% of the population.

I am tired of the woke agenda destroying so many beloved franchises that were written or made by White people and have established lore and characters by making them all gay, diverse and feminist. The only thing that wokeness is doing is creating an obvious contrast between the movies most people grew up with and this garbage being pumped out now that is filled with homophilia and ugly and talentless diversity hires. It's also fomenting racial hatred and furthering the divide in this country.

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Forced diversity? Who forced the film producer to deviate from an all white, all heterosexual cast of characters? Or is it some other form of diversity you're speaking of?

The world is extremely diverse, in other words diversity is normal. What are you trying to make it into? Exactly which forced diversity issues are you talking about? Why would you oppose interracial couples?

Why is a lesbian kiss bad?

You are under no obligation to watch programming you are opposed to; but you make it seem like you must do so and entertainment companies have some sort of obligation to cater to your desires.

So exactly which franchises are now all gay, diverse and feminist? None of them are of course; you just think people reading your post are stupid enough to believe your claims.

Your BS claims are a lame attempt at promoting racial hatred. Most of the rest of the world understands that this stuff is fiction and simply rolls with it or ignores it.

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Forced diversity? Who forced the film producer to deviate from an all white, all heterosexual cast of characters?


The woke executives, woke Hollywood unions, acters and staff. This shit isn't rocket surgery, try to keep up.

The world is extremely diverse, in other words diversity is normal.


Who gives a fuck about the world. Are Asian movies and shows "diverse"? Are Latin American movies and shows "diverse"? Are African movies and shows "diverse"? But when it comes to Western\White countries, you expect all of our productions to reflect the entire God damn planet?

America is a White country founded by Whites for Whites. Most early Americans didn't want blacks here. Even Abraham Lincoln wanted to send them all back to Africa believing they wouldn't be able to integrate into our society and if you look at crime stats and pay attention to local news from around the country, he was correct in that assessment. America was pretty homogeneous up until the 70's when insidious and nefarious globalist immigration policies started to change our nations demographics. Even Europe was pretty homogeneous until only 10-15 years ago. Now they are importing muslims and Africans and their crime rates, violence and terrorism is sky rocketing. Diversity is a lie and it only works on TV shows because it's fiction.

So as a White\Western country, our art, culture and entertainment should reflect the people and nation that makes it which is White people and not the whole fucking world. Black people can make their own shit if they want representation but they can't because they (generally) aren't as creative or intelligent as Whites which is why only the West is being diversified. If you look at all of Human history and Human achievement, you'll see that it is almost exclusively White people that are responsible for scientific advancement and art. Not all races have contributed equally so they don't all deserve equal representation.

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Unless you can name names, then I think you're just making up crap.

America is not a white country. It's citizens have always been mixing their blood with those who you do not consider to be white. Hard core racists even started a war to make us more white, but they lost.

Diversity is a fact, no matter how you feel about it.

We use Arabic numbers. But you didn't know that because your racism blinds you to what almost everyone else knows.

How is it that you confidently claim that black people can't be a part of American culture? Surely you are aware that there are black producers, writers, actors and other artists that contribute to our culture as a whole?

Why can't you accept that a person's worth is based on what they accomplish instead of the color of their skin?

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YoU'rE jUsT bEiNg RaCiSt


Yeah, okay... 🤨 🙄 😒

We use Arabic numbers.


Not really. You're confusing place with race. I would check your history if I were you. Anyways, why would that matter?

Surely you are aware that there are black producers, writers, actors...


Sure but they are still purposefully being over represented in recent years while their contributions are minimal.

Why can't you accept that a person's worth is based on what they accomplish instead of the color of their skin?


You are an absolute dumbass.

I am absolutely all about merit but in a meritocracy, the best people are usually White. There are exceptional non-Whites like Candace Owens or Thomas Sowell but they are the exception not the rule. If you look at all of Human history and Human achievement, you will see that White people are responsible for nearly all Human development. Europeans and their descendants have always been the most advanced and accomplished peoples.

A person's skin color doesn't matter but there is more to race than stupid superficial characteristics like that. Boiling it down to "skin color" is a really reductionist way of looking at race. So if our country and immigration system was an absolute meritocracy and we had to choose between two groups of people to let into the country like say 1 million random Whites vs 1 million random blacks, you would obviously want the Whites for the best results, statistically. A person's individual accomplishments matter but so does the total accomplishments of their race. Merit, bitch!

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Show me your math on how over represented blacks are in entertainment in the USA.

You are absolutely not about merit when you reject people based on their skin color.

You are a very poor judge of character. Owens says the Apollo moon landings are a hoax and that there is nothing anyone can say that will convince her otherwise.

You have made it very clear that you think skin color is what matters the most. Why backpedal?

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Show me your math on how over represented blacks are in entertainment in the USA.


My eyes and having been a movie and TV buff for 30 years.

You are absolutely not about merit when you reject people based on their skin color.


Nope, I have no problem with Morgan Freeman or any of the other all time greatest black actors out there. I don't hate black people, I just recognize that everything made recently is full of token diversity and not enough actually talented non-White actors so they will literally just take whatever mediocre black person they can find. I have already provided examples in my OP.

You are a very poor judge of character.


Candace Owens is a God damn national treasure and now look at who's the racist. You can't make negative statements about a POC. What the hell is wrong with you. You should be cancelled for that.

Owens says the Apollo moon landings are a hoax


I mean... she is more intelligent and educated then you and can you prove her wrong? No? I don't have an opinion about that or really care either way but as a rule, everything the government says is a lie. The assassinations of Lincoln and JFK was a hoax. Covid is a hoax. 911 is a hoax. All this Ukraine BS is a hoax. The Uvalde shooting and just about every other similar event is a hoax. Never trust the government or their mouthpieces, the MSM.

You have made it very clear that you think skin color is what matters the most.


Like I have already explained on another post regarding merit. That just isn't true but like a typical lefty, you make up your own reality.

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Like I said; you're a poor judge of character. I don't have to prove Owens wrong. She claimed that Apollo, a well documented event, was fake. It is much worse to claim that nothing can convince her otherwise.

So if 9/11, JFK, Lincoln, Uvalde and the Ukraine is all a hoax, what events do you believe happened for real? Are you a member of the September Clues forum?

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Can you link to a video from Candace's own youtube account where she actually said that because I don't remember that or is this just some bullshit that you are regurgitating from a leftwing personality, commentator or "news" source. You don't really just expect me to take your word, right?


Well I believe that the 2020 election was rigged and stolen. Basically anything that comes from the government or a leftwing source is either a hoax or a lie (same thing really) but if it comes from the right or someone like Alex Jones then it is definitely true. "September Clues forum" Never heard of it.

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Not a video, one of her tweets.

Now for some light-hearted fun. What’s the one “conspiracy theory” that no matter what anyone says you believe is true. Mine is that the moon landing in 1969 was completely faked.
Just nothing about it makes sense. Especially NASA “accidentally erasing” the original footage.


You can take Owens' word for I think. Or is Candace Owens also a hoax?

Do you believe that Trump is a gun grabber as he claims to be? https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

Do you believe that Trump wanted to confiscate guns from any American who was imagined to be violent, without due process? https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/user-clip-trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second

Alex Jones is a prime idiot and treats his customers and viewers like idiots also. Good luck with that.

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Why is a lesbian kiss bad?


Because throughout the vast majority of Human history and the world. homosexuality was a crime. It isn't normal or healthy, not for the individuals or society. It is an aberration and a disease and nearly all non-Western countries understand this.

You are under no obligation to watch ... entertainment companies have some sort of obligation to cater to your desires


Because this is our art and culture and is what I grew up on. I was a kid when Toy Story came out I have every right to enjoy the stories, characters and franchises I like without having them destroyed by all this really new and recent woke bullshit. How would you feel if some company took something you liked and injected far rightwing ideologies into it? Yeah, that's what I thought. Shut the fuck up with that bullshit.

So exactly which franchises are now all gay, diverse and feminist?


All of them. Every popular and new franchise is woke. It would be easier to make a list of the stuff that's not or to simple point to a year like 2012 and say everything before that.

Your BS claims are a lame attempt at promoting racial hatred


No, all this forced token diversity and injection of radical leftwing politics into entertainment along with made up shit like CRT is doing that. Fighting racism isn't racist. Also, "racist" and "racism" is more made up BS. Look it up. Those word were only introduced in the early 1900's.

Most of the rest of the world understands that this stuff is fiction and simply rolls with it or ignores it.


So then let's just make all the characters White the. I mean, it's only fiction and doesn't matter, right? So then why is it that all these minorities and LGBTP are always screeching about equal representation in fiction? Contradictory much? Why is it that Disney edits all this LGBTP crap out of their Chinese posters and releases?

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Most of your "white America" does not agree with your assessment of gay people.

When you say "our art", do you mean only white people? You can make your own art to enjoy. No one is under any obligation to make anything that caters to your twisted views of morality.

While I enjoy some plots more than others, if someone is putting ideas I find offensive in a program, I just stop watching it. Since I'm not morally or legally bound to watch any kind of entertainment, it does not really matter to me much. I'll just watch something else. I just don't feel that same sense of entitlement that you do when it comes to the entertainment industry.

The God is Not Dead film franchise was profitable. Does that count? Or is it one that you consider to be woke? Why are you not taking the easy way out and listing those film franchises that are not "woke"

All words are made up as a form of communication. Why are you making a big deal about words?

Producers of entertain are doing it for the money, mostly. Whites are a minority on the Earth, so producers want to appeal to more people so they can make more money.

Minorities and everyone else are all crying about getting their share. Are you doing anything other than pissing and moaning on an obscure forum like MovieChat?

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Most of your "white America" does not agree with your assessment of gay people.


Really? Did you personally poll every White person in America? What fake news source are you relying on to form your worldview? Try leaving your Twitter and Reddit echo chambers once in a while.

When you say "our art"


I mean that of White people\Western people. The art of those whom we (Whites) have a shared ethnicity, history and heritage. Fucking duh!

The God is Not Dead film franchise was profitable. Does that count?


I haven't seen it but I doubt that it is woke. If you want recent examples of non-woke films then I would say those made by the Daily Wire such as Run Hide Fight, Shut In and Terror on the Prairie.

All words are made up as a form of communication. Why are you making a big deal about words?


Okay then, so you wouldn't mind me saying the hard-R N-word? It's just a word after all, no big deal, right? Words are important and our language has been weaponized for more than a century by leftists to recondition society. It is important to recognize which words are made up propaganda from those with actual traditional and historical value.

Producers of entertain are doing it for the money, mostly.


You would think so but no, there is a larger globalist agenda at play. If that statement were true than Disney, Amazon and Netflix would have stopped putting out woke bullshit when their stocks started to tank.

Whites are a minority on the Earth


Thank you for recognizing and admitting that. Since Whites are the global minority, shouldn't Whites be a protected class and shouldn't we have special privileges? Shouldn't it be the black and brown countries who should be forced to diversify? Also, that would mean that White are actually the minority in Africa and are the victims in South Africa.

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You have not seen the polls regarding gay rights?

Are you certain that any significant portion of white people would be willing to be part of your "we" BS?

You can say anything you want here' you should stop being evasive though.

Whites have had it very good in America. Perhaps you can help diversify African countries by moving you and your ilk there? You think you can force them to diversify?

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No

Yes

I'm not, your the one who has lost this entire debate we are having. All you do is spew leftwing nonsense while calling me rAcIsT. You have not answered or rebutted many of my points and questions.

Maybe because we (Whites) built this country and invented nearly every aspect of modern civilization. We should have it better then others. Why don't you move to Africa. You are the ones who are always going on about how you hate this country, it's history, the flag, it's values etc. You people are the ones who champion diversity and think it makes us stronger. You fucking move to Africa and experience all of the multiculturalism and cultural enrichment you people seem to love so much. But you won't because you actually love America and everything else that your (I'm assuming) White ancestors created. Saying stupid shit like you just did is why I'm winning. I would tell you to use your brain but you're a liberal so...

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Not a liberal and I'm probably more conservative than you. You can't just wave your "I'm a racist banner" then claim you're not racist and conservative. Well, you can if you want everyone to think you're nuts. Good luck with that.

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Not a liberal and I'm probably more conservative than you.


Yes, you are a liberal and no, you are not more conservative than me.

Our entire conversation proves that. You support liberal\leftwing politics like LGBT and diversity. You throw "rAcIsT" around like they do and you use other words and phrases they use. If you are conservative then you're basically a neocon which is basically a liberal.

I am Ultra MAGA my political beliefs are basically MAGA = Traditional Straight White Christian Nationalism. I want to abolish most of the government and completely empty the federal register, abolish and dismantle the Democrat Uniparty and ban political parties, return power back to the states and the people and bring back wild west style justice, I want to bring back capital punishment, repeal gay rights, hang commies from trees and throw them out of helicopters, ban feminism, send most blacks back to Africa, deport most hispanics back to mexico and permanently seal the southern border, revoke any past amnesty and send them and their descendants back, send most of the jews to Israel and cut them off completely, I want to abolish ALL gun laws and arm every single man, woman and child in the country and put firearm training in schools, I think we should annex Canada and wonder why we haven't already. Basically, I want to 1776 this bitch. So no, you are not more traditionally conservative then me.

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MAGA are not conservative, they are RINO's for the most part. They are anti-gun because they support a gun grabber like Trump without any reservations at all.

Yes, you are very racist and too cowardly to come right out and say it. Being insanely nuts is not the same as being conservative. The faster you learn this, the better it will be for you.

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MAGA are not conservative, they are RINO's for the most part.


That is funny because A. you are so wrong and B. neocon cucks like you are the RINOs. Trump is not a gun grabber. MAGA are the most pro-2A people in America. The fact that you actually believe all that shit further confirms you are a liberal.

If you want to actually see what MAGA represents then come check out the largest MAGA community in the world at patriots.win Sundays is Sunday Gunday on there and there is also a dedicated gun community on there.

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WTF is wrong with you? Trump is a proud gun grabber. He said he would ban bump stocks and did it by ordering the ATF to classify them as contraband machine guns.

You can read about it here. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-12-26/pdf/2018-27763.pdf

Trump also wanted red flag laws without due process so any American could lose their guns for any reason. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/user-clip-trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second

Every Trump supporter I've asked, refuses to tell me where they draw the line on gun control and gun grabs. It seems they would accept any form of gun control or gun grab as long as Trump does it.

Where do you draw the line? What kind of gun control would it take for you to stop supporting Trump? If you support Trump's gun control, then you are an obvious RINO.

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Whatever, asshole. Trump is 2A all the way.

Trump is the greatest president this country has ever had during any living person's lifetime.

Your commie tricks won't sway me. Trump loves guns, MAGA loves guns and we love Trump.

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Just as I thought. You think that the 2A includes the words "As long as Trump allows".

You're also a coward who is too scared to take a stand against anti-gun politicians where ever they are.

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The feeling is mutual.

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Is it flopping, and why am I supposed to do a victory dance exactly? I mean, I'm not opposed to outbursts of celebration now and then but I do like to know why I am. Thanks.

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Ever heard of that dumb phrase "get woke, go broke"?

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I have heard that expression, yes. I haven't seen the film so I don't know if it's woke or not. If it is, then yes, I will indeed do a victory lap if it flops due to wokeness. I mean, if it flops because it sucks then I don't really care.

But I don't pay to see any Hollyweird film woke or no. I just "streamed" Maverick for the heck of it (pretty cool - it's still in theaters where people pay money to see it). I might stream Lightyear if the reviews are good enough.

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Not a "dumb phrase", its pretty accurate.


Yes, there are some EXCEPTIONS to the rule (films pushing an agenda and lecturing the audience that were nevertheless a big financial success and got rave reviews), but its very accurate to say that when a franchise "gets woke", it "goes broke" about 80% of the time.

That's because these woke studios are more concerned with promoting "the message" than coming up with a plausible, entertaining, or well-written story.

People who dislike this inconvenient truth just scramble to try and find evidence to the contrary, like claiming non-woke films are woke. Spider-Man: No Way Home was a huge financial success, it wasn't woke, but gee, Peter's best friend is played an Asian guy, so we'll pretend it was woke. Nope. It didn't have any political "message" to send. You didn't have a Chris Evans type a-hole saying people who don't like the movie are racist against asians. It was there to entertain. Crap that exists to push an agenda, like the West Side Story remake, Eternals, and Lightyear, keep flopping, and flopping, and flopping...


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no one in the real world gives a fuck about "wokeness". hell, they probably don't know what that even is. a fake internet controversy

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Tell that to the 14 countries that outright banned this crapfest for pushing a political agenda.

"Not to worry guys, only a handful of butthurt internet trolls care about that stuff! Now release the film pretending long-term lesbian marriages were commonplace and readily accepted by everyone in 1995!"

You're just lucky we have freedom of speech in the U.S. and western countries, so they're allowed to promote that trash no matter how much audiences don't wanna hear it. Unfortunately for them, audiences will vote with their wallets!

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You mean those Islamic backwards countries that ban western movies all the time? Big deal.

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Gooood, let the butthurt flow through you.

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+1

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here's why it flopped. nothing to do with a 2 second kiss https://variety.com/2022/film/news/lightyear-box-office-disney-pixar-expectations-1235298276/

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I think a lot of people were under the impression that this was going to be Toy Story 5. It's a totally different concept.

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Yeah, it should do better.

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Having the kiss while not scissoring is just dumb.

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me neither

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don't you mean "Alt-Right Nazis"

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I was just being polite.

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