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Why Americans don't like this movie but really need to see it



Great (anti-)war movie with a very powerful ending.

In this movie you don't see American heroes wipe out all the Vietcong; instead, you see the contrary.

Yes, Americans are defeated in this war. But the purpose of this movie is not to remind you that fact. It depicts one type of warfare (that is, the tunnel warfare) seldom portrayed in the representation of Vietnam war but more fascinating and brutal than the traditional warfare.

In the end, the movie is not about who won the war, but the common fate of humanity if we continue to fight each other.

Boy, Americans really need to see this movie.


from Taiwan china

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What do you mean great anti war movie. And what is this nonsense about Americans need to see this movie. If you remember or read about history, the american public was what ended the vietnam war. In fact the Vietnam war almost tore America apart. I didn't see China or Russia trying to end the Vietnam war. I saw no one from Europe step up to the plate to assist in suing for peace. I lived through those times. The Russians and Chinese tested new weapons in Vietnam. They had no interest in ending the war.

Intellectually that argument is moot. As far as the movie itself, it sucked. None of the characters was ever developed enough to even care about. The movie itself was hard to follow. The acting was not good and the camera work stank. Technically it was also inaccurate. I watched with interest that except for the guy the sgt. hung, no VC were killed. Well again it just didn't work that way. This looked to me like Uwe Boll's death to Americans fanasy. Although there were forward fire bases in Vietnam, there were no little camps just set up in a little jungle clearing. There were perimeters and guards etc. Tunnel rat was not a platoon speciality, it was a little guy speciality. If you were small enough to go down in one, you went when it was discovered.

And by the way there is no common fate of humanity. Those with the biggest stick win, period. The aztecs did it to the weak around them. The american indians did it to tribes they didn't like. The Japanese did it to those they could conquer, etc, etc.

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OK, many of these posters are taking off on you for a number of reasons, so let's set this up:

1. "Great anti war movie, powerful ending." The movie certainly shows the horror of war close-up, which should lead rational minds to be repulsed by war. After all the carnage, however, the ending was anti-climactic.

2. 'American 'heroes' wiping out VC/instead the contrary." The tenor of this sentence is provocative, and seemingly anti-US. Of course, you are entitled to your opinion, however biased and uninformed. FACT IS, most soldiers in Vietnam simply wanted to get their term in and get home. You, my friend, have the advantage of 20-20 hindsight regarding the war, the lies, the devisiveness and its consequences. At the time, the majority of the guys who served were "doing their duty" - something you may get to experience when the Mainland decides to re-annex Taiwan.

As far as the body count in the film, it was fairly even - pretty unusual, since it is a fact that NVA/VC casualties far exceeded US casualties in almost every battle.

3. "The movie depicts tunnel warfare, seldom portrayed in Vietnam War films, etc." I couldn't agree more. Compared to dropping bombs from 30,000 feet, tunnel warfare is unbelievably personal and terrifying.

4. "Common fate of humanity"... Yeah, you have a point.

5. "Americans need to see this movie." Again, your anti-US bias undermines the credibility of your correct statements.

First, its ironic that, as you post from Taiwan, you owe your freedom and safety to the threat of US nuclear deterrance against the Mainland should it decide to invade Taiwan.

Second, you and most of your countrymen would be speaking Japanese right now were it not for the US of A in WWII. Think about it.

Third, do you really think you would be better off today if the USA did not exist and you had to rely all this time on the good treatment and human rights you would have been afforded by Communist China or the USSR?

yak-sun

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>>>Yes, Americans are defeated in this war.<<< - Karlweb2002


"We did not lose Vietnam! It was a tie!"

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Yes, Americans are defeated in this war

Yes, America was defeated, but not on the battle field. In fact, the US won all of the major battles, and the great majority of the skirmishes and firefights. The US was defeated at home by the anti-war idiots, the media, and finally by Congress, when Congress failed to act in 1975 after the fall of Saigon.

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Sigh, seems like imdb will always be full of racial slander and extreme prejudice.

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It is an English only site.

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Dude, get off your high horse.

Reading his post, I dont see any racism, just facts.

Oh thats right, to ideologically minded people like you, facts are racist!

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Boy, Americans really need to see this movie.


We'd much rather see a drone flown up your smug ass.

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In the end, the movie is not about who won the war, but the common fate of humanity if we continue to fight each other.


Oh really? so why did the guy and girl die in the end when they finally started to work together?? Hardly in line with your perception of a message and if indeed that was the intended message it was poorly executed or portrayed.

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In the end, the movie is not about who won the war, but the common fate of humanity if we continue to fight each other.


Oh really? so why did the guy and girl die in the end when they finally started to work together?? Hardly in line with your perception of a message and if indeed that was the intended message it was poorly executed or portrayed.

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so why did the guy and girl die in the end when they finally started to work together??
Probably because they bickered until it was too late.

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