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List of things that made no sense and were stupid: S8 E4 (Spoilers)

posted 6 years ago by Seven (22)
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1. Jaime and Brienne sleeping with each other was forced, and they had zero chemistry. The whole Brienne virginity thing was stupid and pointless. It served nothing to the plot.

2. Jaime turning his back on Brienne to go be with Cersei. This completely contradicts Jaime's entire character arch; he was trying to be a better person, and then out of nowhere changes his mind.

3. Gendry becoming the lord of some place I don't remember. What does this have to do with the plot?! Nothing.

4. Gendry confessing he loves Arya in like a day after sex. What...?

5. The feast in the beginning was nice, but got stale really quick. I get that the characters need time to cool down. However, the drinking game and the Tormund stuff was just unnecessary. However, I see the usefulness in Tormund championing Jon in front of Daenerys to try and get her jealous; somehow though, it feels just slightly childish.

6. How did Jaime manage to survive the battle with no scars or scratches to his face? He had one fucking hand, and got piled on top of by white walkers. He came out relatively unscathed.

7. I'm still not a fan of the Hound being back. I think he should have stayed dead in season 4. Everything with him this episode was just meh and didn't help the main story at all. The only reason he is back is to battle the Mountain just for fan service bullshit, even if it doesn't make sense.

8. Jon not talking to the dire wolf. Why wouldn't you...? Those things are like the dragons to the Targaryens. Doesn't make sense.

9. Euryon's fleet randomly ambushing Daenerys and her army. Wtf even happened? How did all those bolts manage to be aimed so precisely and reloaded so quickly? Where the fuck did he even come from? Next thing I know a dragon is dead and it doesn't feel earned story wise. It just feels random for the sake of being random.

10. How did Dany and her army teleport to the front of the gates to talk to Cersei after they had just been waterboarded and ambushed? Why doesn't Cersei just kill them all right there? Also, how did Missandei get captured so quickly? This is a pacing issue I know; it's a perfect example of them rushing the show. They have all these plot points that they need to reach and instead of gradually reaching them, they just rush it all to shit.

11. Bronn teleporting to The North and then disappearing. Speaking of which, Bronn's character doesn't make much sense anymore. Bronn and Tyrion were friends; Bronn is selfish in a lot of ways, but he doesn't hate Tyrion, like he apparently now does in this episode. If you don't believe me, go watch the episode in season 4 where Tyrion asks Bronn to be his champion.

12. Cersei hired Bronn to kill Tyrion, yet when given the chance to kill Tyrion herself, she doesn't do it. Don't say that the reason she didn't do that was because she didn't want to start a war on the spot; she easily killed Missandei to no immediate consequence.

13. Why didn't Missandei just grab Cersei and jump off the cliff killing both of them? She was gonna die anyways. Whatever.

14. Tyrion still thinking that Cersei isn't an evil bitch. She is a fucking evil bitch, and of all people, he should know this! The writers are making Tyrion dumb just to push their contrived plot forward for fucksake!

15. Sansa being a dumb bitch and going against Jon by telling Tyrion. Sansa has turned into a dumb bitch these past couple of seasons. She doesn't even have the respect to trust and honour Jon after he has saved her a million times.

There is more shit I missed because I don't remember the entire episode; this was all done from memory. If you guys want to add more stuff to the list, please do. There were some good things that happened this episode, but overall, it was a rushed mess.

[–] mcqueen (1150) 6 years ago

Nailed it.

[–] Dub88 (57) 6 years ago

I can overlook a lot. I did in episode 3. But this one I just can't get past #9 and #10. So rushed and nonsensical. Why didn't Cersei kill everyone there? They were in range of scorpions. It's too silly to get past.

[–] winslow (1318) 6 years ago

She doesn't want to kill them just yet, now that she sees them as much less of a threat than they were last season. She wants to drive Dany insane and since Tyrion showed up, she wants him to watch everything he believes in be slowly dismantled. It is like the nun and also Ellaria, killing them quickly is not enough for her, once she has the upper hand.

[–] Lonewolfsanscub (18) 6 years ago

But....that's stupid. If you play the Game of Thrones, you either win or you die.

[–] winslow (1318) 6 years ago

It's her weakness and why she ultimately won't win.

[–] Lonewolfsanscub (18) 6 years ago

Correct you were.

[–] whynotwriteme (7725) 6 years ago

4. obviously Gendry lied about having 3 women before Arya. His reaction is the classic virgin guy reaction to getting laid.

8. They should have done one of those old Disney movie moves where the direwolf is trying to follow Jon and he is throwing rocks at him to make him stop, shouting "Get away, boy!" with tears in his eyes.

[–] Seven (22) 6 years ago

LOL true

[–] catsidhe (1649) 6 years ago

8. Already done with Arya and Nymeria.

[–] ColdOfWinter (147) 6 years ago

It has been forever since I have seen the episode, but wasn't it part of the show that Gendry did have sex with Melisandra?

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Agree on all points.

[–] TearofLys (2656) 6 years ago

I agree with most of this. Adding to your points

>1. Jaime and Brienne sleeping with each other was forced, and they had zero chemistry. The whole Brienne virginity thing was stupid and pointless. It served nothing to the plot.

I think this is the direct result of heavy campaigning by a few users on r/freefolk on Reddit. Amazing that a few girls with reddit accounts influenced the actual plot of the show. Another possibility is people affiliated with the show and knew it was coming post there.

>3. Gendry becoming the lord of some place I don't remember. What does this have to do with the plot?! Nothing.

That actually made sense. Gendry is the son of Robert Baratheon and has a competing claim to the throne. Dany giving him Storm's End was essentially buying him off.

7. I'm still not a fan of the Hound being back. I think he should have stayed dead in season 4. Everything with him this episode was just meh and didn't help the main story at all. The only reason he is back is to battle the Mountain just for fan service bullshit, even if it doesn't make sense.

Disagree here. Part of the reason season 5 sucked was they killed off all the charismatic characters in season 4. The Hound had one of the best scenes in season 6 when he first tried to go all Peacenik, but ends up grabbing an axe and going all old-school hound on a bunch of dudes.

11. Bronn teleporting to The North and then disappearing. Speaking of which, Bronn's character doesn't make much sense anymore. Bronn and Tyrion were friends; Bronn is selfish in a lot of ways, but he doesn't hate Tyrion, like he apparently now does in this episode. If you don't believe me, go watch the episode in season 4 where Tyrion asks Bronn to be his champion.

Yeah, I can buy Bronn being loyal to gold above all else, but how he went about communicating his offer to Tyriomwasl wrong. He was Tyrion's friend (and possibly Jaimes). He said so himself, and wouldn't have made the request the way portrayed in the show.

[–] Seven (22) 6 years ago

The Gendry part does make sense when you view it from that perspective; I guess I just missed that. The reason I think the Hound should have stayed dead is because when he does appear in season 6, it is so random. The writers did the whole "we didn't show him die, so therefore he isn't dead" trope. It felt like a desperate move to make the show more interesting again, despite it hardly making any sense to the show; in proper Game of Thrones fashion, he should have stayed dead. This is just my opinion though.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

I agree with many of your points, the reason being "jumping the shark" and trying to tie up loose ends.

But #3 is Gendry being bought off. #11- Bronn off character. Bad writing. # 14 - Tyrion is supposed to be smart. Cersie tried to have him killed a few times. She betrayed him many times, latest being not sending armies and he still trusts her!!!

[–] r5d4d2 (695) 6 years ago

2. Jaime turning his back on Brienne to go be with Cersei. This completely contradicts Jaime's entire character arch; he was trying to be a better person, and then out of nowhere changes his mind. - JAMIE IS ON A MISSION TO KILL CERSEI AND DIE IN THE PROCESS.

9. Euryon's fleet randomly ambushing Daenerys and her army. Wtf even happened? How did all those bolts manage to be aimed so precisely and reloaded so quickly? Where the fuck did he even come from? Next thing I know a dragon is dead and it doesn't feel earned story wise. It just feels random for the sake of being random. - TOTALLY AGREE. DANY AND THE DRAGONS WERE UP HIGH (1000 FEET?). THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE EURON'S FLEET FROM A GREAT DISTANCE. THE SURPRISE WAS RIDICULOUS.

[–] Xboxaddict (57) 6 years ago

What about Arya leaving Winterfell and telling the hound she's not coming back? She never said farewell to Sansa or Jon or anyone else?

Sloppy af writing

[–] mcqueen (1150) 6 years ago

And dumb.

[–] bohemianroxie (2478) 6 years ago

She considers it a suicide mission...as does he..
that much they have in common..
and that's usually not something you alert to those close to you..

[–] Xboxaddict (57) 6 years ago

I don't think she considers it a suicide mission. Just more of her not feeling at home in Winterfell anymore, since she's outgrown the place with her training and doesn't care about running the place as the Lady of Winterfell or being an aide / support to Sansa. The Hound, yes, he's obviously going to settle scores with his brother (think Greyworm will give him a hand and maybe Arya too) so it's a one way ticket for him given he's long outlived his expected lifespan and all.

[–] Sandoz (2021) 6 years ago

Look, if there was a scene with Arya saying goodbye to Jon and Sansa there would be countless other posts saying how unnecessary it would have been to include something so superfluous. I think the audience can fill in the blanks Jon and Sansa were either told by her she's leaving, or they'll figure it out for themselves when they notice Arya's not around.

[–] R_Kane (15828) 6 years ago

Thank you! We’ve got some contrary reason reached a point where people feel the need to castigate a show they formerly professed to love, and many of them are double-digit posters who’ve crawled out of the woodwork! Please spare me the “sloppy writing” bleat. This is an epidemic of hate with far too much zest to it. This is Groupthink personified.

[–] Xboxaddict (57) 6 years ago

What does my post count have to do with anything? Just because you make a lot of posts doesn't make your points more valid or credible lol. The show's quality has taken a nose dive in the last 2 seasons and pointing out things that you think are sloppy isn't an 'epidemic of hate' ffs. You seem to think everyone should blindly praise the show and pretend it has no faults or something.

And Sandoz, if Arya is leaving her family permanently, it is a big deal that should've been covered. She was talking about family values and loyalty the whole season, and then suddenly leaves for ever without telling anyone, hoping they'll fill in the blanks? Sure they'll figure it out, but they showed Jon saying goodbye to Tormund and Sam, why not do the same for Arya with Sansa and Jon?

[–] catsidhe (1649) 6 years ago

I kinda love that they're embarking on their suicide missions together.