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List of things that made no sense and were stupid: S8 E4 (Spoilers)

posted 6 years ago by Seven (22)
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1. Jaime and Brienne sleeping with each other was forced, and they had zero chemistry. The whole Brienne virginity thing was stupid and pointless. It served nothing to the plot.

2. Jaime turning his back on Brienne to go be with Cersei. This completely contradicts Jaime's entire character arch; he was trying to be a better person, and then out of nowhere changes his mind.

3. Gendry becoming the lord of some place I don't remember. What does this have to do with the plot?! Nothing.

4. Gendry confessing he loves Arya in like a day after sex. What...?

5. The feast in the beginning was nice, but got stale really quick. I get that the characters need time to cool down. However, the drinking game and the Tormund stuff was just unnecessary. However, I see the usefulness in Tormund championing Jon in front of Daenerys to try and get her jealous; somehow though, it feels just slightly childish.

6. How did Jaime manage to survive the battle with no scars or scratches to his face? He had one fucking hand, and got piled on top of by white walkers. He came out relatively unscathed.

7. I'm still not a fan of the Hound being back. I think he should have stayed dead in season 4. Everything with him this episode was just meh and didn't help the main story at all. The only reason he is back is to battle the Mountain just for fan service bullshit, even if it doesn't make sense.

8. Jon not talking to the dire wolf. Why wouldn't you...? Those things are like the dragons to the Targaryens. Doesn't make sense.

9. Euryon's fleet randomly ambushing Daenerys and her army. Wtf even happened? How did all those bolts manage to be aimed so precisely and reloaded so quickly? Where the fuck did he even come from? Next thing I know a dragon is dead and it doesn't feel earned story wise. It just feels random for the sake of being random.

10. How did Dany and her army teleport to the front of the gates to talk to Cersei after they had just been waterboarded and ambushed? Why doesn't Cersei just kill them all right there? Also, how did Missandei get captured so quickly? This is a pacing issue I know; it's a perfect example of them rushing the show. They have all these plot points that they need to reach and instead of gradually reaching them, they just rush it all to shit.

11. Bronn teleporting to The North and then disappearing. Speaking of which, Bronn's character doesn't make much sense anymore. Bronn and Tyrion were friends; Bronn is selfish in a lot of ways, but he doesn't hate Tyrion, like he apparently now does in this episode. If you don't believe me, go watch the episode in season 4 where Tyrion asks Bronn to be his champion.

12. Cersei hired Bronn to kill Tyrion, yet when given the chance to kill Tyrion herself, she doesn't do it. Don't say that the reason she didn't do that was because she didn't want to start a war on the spot; she easily killed Missandei to no immediate consequence.

13. Why didn't Missandei just grab Cersei and jump off the cliff killing both of them? She was gonna die anyways. Whatever.

14. Tyrion still thinking that Cersei isn't an evil bitch. She is a fucking evil bitch, and of all people, he should know this! The writers are making Tyrion dumb just to push their contrived plot forward for fucksake!

15. Sansa being a dumb bitch and going against Jon by telling Tyrion. Sansa has turned into a dumb bitch these past couple of seasons. She doesn't even have the respect to trust and honour Jon after he has saved her a million times.

There is more shit I missed because I don't remember the entire episode; this was all done from memory. If you guys want to add more stuff to the list, please do. There were some good things that happened this episode, but overall, it was a rushed mess.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

1. Yep Jaimie does not seem the type that would sleep with anyone who rates as lowly as Brienne on the sex appeal meter.
2. This could go either way. Maybe he thinks being a better person is knowing he is the only one who can get close enough to Cersei to kill her?
3. Agreed. Although it was also Dany just showing off her power. Showing she can do things like that.
4. He is clueless on how to rule and hoped Arya would help him.
5. I think it was about showing how despite Dany also fighting and being the Queen that in the end "cocks matter".
6. How did most of them survive come to think of it? They had to kill increasing numbers a couple of times over?
7. Agreed.
8. I think he wants to save it and couldn't say goodbye to it.
9. And why wouldn't they keep firing at her to get the last dragon? Why wouldn't she at least try one dive to try and incinerate the fleet?
10-13. Uh huh.
14. Tyrion is always thinking of his next move. Serve Cersei or Jon Snow, he knows Dany is over.
15. Sansa is driven by revenge and her own sense of justice.

[–] Volley (3433) 6 years ago

I wonder who Euron is killing next?

- Jon Snow (Aegon Targaryen)

- Arya Stark

- Sansa Stark (It's Euron, so yeah he can teleport his ships to Winterfell)

- Bran Stark

- Greyworm of the Unsullied

- Daenerys Targaryen

- Drogon the Last Dragon

- Yara Greyjoy (Asha in the books)

- Sandor "the Hound" Clegane

- Gendry Baratheon

- Jaime Lannister

- Ser Bronn of the Blackwater

- Lord Varys

- Tyrion Lannister

- Daario Naharis

- Jaqen H'ghar

- Poor little Robin Arryn wishing he was still suckling his mother's breast instead of leading the vanguard into King's Landing.

At this point nothing will surprise me, even if Euron betrays Cersei, Qyburn, and the Mountain.

Maybe he'll ambush Daenerys forces a FOURTH time!

[–] Keelai (34972) 6 years ago

I agree with most of what the OP said but this is how I interpreted the following:

#2 Not out of nowhere. He learns Cersei is in serious danger and wants to be with her because he's still in love with her. I'm not sure if Jaimie was ever trying to be good. That just happened when he was with Brienne who brought out his best while Cersei brought out his worst.

#3. Dani legitimized Gendry and gave him his father, King Robert Barratheon's original House's property and title. Dani tried to score points with the people which didn't work.

#4. Gendry appeared scared to handle being a Lord and wanted Lady Arya to help him which is why he proposed out of the blue. Not really love - just fear-based behavior.

#8. Jon didn't want the dire wolf to follow him? That seemed cold to me too.

#15. Sansa saved Jon at the Battle of the Bastards. He also loves Dani which clouds his judgment. Dani is violent when she doesn't get her way and Sansa knows this and doesn't trust her. Sam and Varys see the same. I believe Sansa has actually become smarter and more guarded. I believe Dani would make a horrible queen. She has no compassion.

I agree that most of the writing is bad now. The dialogue is horrible.

[–] Alex (1504) 6 years ago

2. Jaime turning his back on Brienne to go be with Cersei. This completely contradicts Jaime's entire character arch; he was trying to be a better person, and then out of nowhere changes his mind.

- Ok, all the people complaining about this need to rewatch the episode and that scene in particular. Jamie didn't do a 180 there when he left Brienne, he said all those things to let her down easy. He's going on a suicide mission to stop Cersei. He's the Valonqar. All of the Cersei's predictions happened exactly as prophesized.

[–] spurtle467 (1549) 6 years ago

Can't disagree with any of this. The one that stuck out the most when I was watching the episode, which turned it on its head for me, was when Euron appeared out of nowhere and shot the dragon down in a few seconds. I was just about letting things go at that point, even Bronn's out of character moment of breaking Tyrion's nose.

I'm gutted at the way the show is going, and I can't see how it's going to manage to redeem itself for the final 2 episodes, with steadily declining ratings, plot holes and uncharacteristic behaviour galore. I thought the long wait for this final season may have allowed the writers time to get it right, and at least keep it at a similar standard to season 6.