The REAL Original...


I am so sick of all the children who continue to refer to the 1982 film as "the original". The original was made in 1951 and was a better film than both the 2011 and 1982 films.

Sure no ghastly disgusting body bursting monsters (idea stolen from "Alien") but a better written, better acted film with a classic director (Howard Hawks) at the helm.

In 1981 when word came down the pipeline about a remake everyone groaned. They knew it would not be true to the source and probably be a modern day gorefest. No internet then so things did not reach a roaring point, but fans of the Hawks film were shaking their heads.

Surprise it turned out to be a winner. A genuinely good film that stood on its own. Yet true to expectation, it kept very little about the REAL original except the snow.

Now a whole generation of myopic kids think the 1982 version is the original. NO NO NO. Go find, rent, Netflix, whatever you do and see THE original. That is if you can stomach a film in black and white and where no ones guts come flying out of them.

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Actually if you want to be technical, John W. Campbell, Jr.'s Who Goes There? from 1938 is the original.

Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you.

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Yes you are correct. The whole point of my comment and source of frustration was over so many referring to John Carpenters film as the first adaptation. As the thread progressed it was pointed out that Carpenter was truer to the source material, the book, than the Howard Hawks film; so in fact making it the first actual adaptation. I was not aware of this, not having read the book, and acquiesced to the posters.

Then things got out of hand. The whole I am bigoted, ignorant, etc started. Hey if I was that bad I would not have admitted to not knowing and stuck to my guns, right? But I did admit I was incorrect, unlike some folks on IMDB (SC).

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The Thing 1982 isn't a remake of The Thing from Another World. It's an adaptation of the novella Who Goes There.

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Correct Bill, i already educated the OP on the differences between a remake and a new adaptation of a book.

"If this is torture, chain me to the wall"-Oliver and Company

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Good job McClane 👍

Jean and Scotty never have to worry.

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Not sure I agree with you.

I saw the 1950's version first, knew of it before I saw the 1982 version and I have to say I prefer the Carpenter version.

For me The Thing 1982 is the best remake I've seen with 2 exceptions - The Maltese Falcon 1941 and Invasion of the Bodysnatchers 1978.

The Hawks films is pretty good and I enjoy it a lot and it still has an amazing jump scare or two and a creepy atmosphere but it is still is as much a product of its era of cinema as Carpenter's is his.

Carpenter's is supposedly more true to the source material for both movies - the short story Who goes there? which I have not read so cannot say one way or the other. I know Carpenter loved the original movie into the bargain so I can appreciate both.

Even the 2011 version gets some things right but is clearly the weakest of the three.

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Nice to see an intelligent non insulting comment after being slammed!

I am so tired of this thread that I wish I had something to add...

Peace!

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songod-95003 wrote:

I am so tired of this thread that I wish I had something to add...


Here, I'll do it for you.
songod-95003 wrote: "sorry, I was wrong! Bye bye."

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Already said I was fing wrong. And I acknowledged the info I was provided with as correctional.

But really... I wasn't wrong. The FIRST film adaptation of the book was the 1950's Howard Hawks film. That the 1982 film had more elements of the source novel is irrelevant. The first will ALWAYS be the Hawks film (and yes I know he did not direct the entire film).

Semantics won the "what was first" argument based on which version was truer to the novel.

There is an old adage I cling to at moments like these; "I may not always be right but I am never wrong."

So eat s**t.

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*beep* wrote:

But really... I wasn't wrong.


No, you were wrong. Relative to the 2011 premake, John Carpenter's The Thing *was* the original. It's plainly obvious. Here's some news for you: you're posting on the Thing 2011 forum.

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And I was responding or commenting on the endless posts here about "the original" which always reference the Carpenter film. That is all.

But lieu of this film being a lift on the Carpenter version then yes that is the original to this 2011 film.

Coming very close to deleting this whole thread as ti is annoying me now. How fing old is it? I've moved on to fing up things in other film forums! ha ha ha

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songod-95003 wrote:

Sure no ghastly disgusting body bursting monsters (idea stolen from "Alien")


Get real. If The Thing '82 is a ripoff of Alien for that reason, you can equally well argue that Alien ripped off Invasion of the Body Snatchers (aliens emerging from pods, etc.). In fact, Dan O'Bannon basically admits the entire film was a ripoff, beginning with the Forbidden Planet opening.

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Actually two old scifi films are credited as being influences related to "Alien".

One is "Planet of the Vampires" (Italian, 1965) where a space ship lands on an alien planet only to find a crashed spacecraft of unknown origin that happens to have creatures that kill and then reanimate the dead. The concept of the alien ship crashed on a desolate planet carrying a succubus type agent being the "Alien" influence.

The other is "It! The Terror from Beyond Space" (American, 1958) where an outpost of astronauts is killed by an alien monster leaving one survivor whom is rescued but then charged with murder. The monster sneaks aboard the rescue ship and proceeds to kill off the crew one by one. The "Alien" influence is obvious.

I saw "Forbidden Planet" with "Star Trek" in mind as it is credited as having been the source of many concepts used in the series. I did not think to watch for "Alien" references or influences.

Both those old films, while of course dated and at times hokey, are quite good and full of atmosphere (especially "Planet of the Vampires"). But then again I am a fan of old movies (not exclusively but in this thread I have been labeled a lover of "crappy black and white" films - though "Planet" is in lustrous 1960's technicolor!).

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It's been contentious, but I suspect you and I have similar tastes. I do worship John Carpenter's work up through They Live, however, with The Thing at the top of the heap. Yup, a fanman.

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Sure no ghastly disgusting body bursting monsters (idea stolen from "Alien")


I think you can blame mother nature for that.

Warning: this is gross:
https://www.wired.com/2014/10/absurd-creature-week-glyptapanteles-wasp-caterpillar-bodyguard/

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I'm aware of all versions. However the newest film is obviously a remake of the 1982 film. The 1982 film and the 1951 film are themselves very different films. This one however is a copy of the 82 film.

The 2011 film is a PREQUEL to John Carpenter's The Thing.
Where the 2011 film ends, the 82 film movie picks up (although with a few continuity issues such as switching the Norwegian that gets shot by Gary and the one who explodes).

As for the 1951 film. I don't hate it but I don't think it's that great. Although I never would have seen the Carpenter film if not for the 1951 version. The 1951 version is the one my father saw as a teen and it scared the hell out of him. He would always talk about it, so when I got old enough I sought out the movie called The Thing. What I found was the 1982 Carpenter film and watched it thinking it was the same movie my father saw as a teen, but found out it was not the film, so I saw the 82 film first thanks to my father always talking about this movie called The Thing which scared him as a kid.

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Lmao. Based OP.

A lot of people worship films of the 70s & 80s and have no fucking clue about cinema pre-70s, barring a handful of celebrated 60s flicks.

I literally seen someone on Reddit who thought Psycho (1960) was the first horror film ever. Baffling ignorance.

You'll unironically get people who slam modern horror for being gorey and full of cheap thrills only to tell you the The Thing and The Fly are amongst their favorite films. Literal gore flicks which were 'vulgar' updates of 1950s sci-fi horror. It's completely lost on them though, they think old films = smart, cereberal and original. Whilst modern films = cheap, trashy rip-offs.

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The Thing fans realizing that the JC movie is a remake and that their "The original is always the best. The 'remake' should never have happened." bullshit is an own goal;
https://media.tenor.com/w16ZxNAQIDIAAAAd/shocked-black-guy.gif

Halloween fans realizing that the JC movie wasn't the first movie to have a dude in a mask killing people. That it didn't invent POV shots and that several slashers predate it;
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRZr5sOrh-1JSeUXMwNTRuro74vNJBwUKQJQILYItzGtiwZ08iUXl0I6IhPqN5Mk3c3WnI&usqp=CAU


Cognitive dissonance: 80s horror fans who worship The Thing, The Fly and The Blob whilst claiming that remakes are trash and should never be made.

80s horror remake formula; Take an old B&W sci-fi horror movie. Film in color and add a bunch of gore. Viola.

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