Worst story lines?


I love this show. It's genius. But I can't help but admit there were some bad story decisions.

For one I could not stand the entire Avery storyline throughout season six. After two seasons of proving to the audience how perfect Avery was for Jack to end it on "We're only together cuz we're pregnant!" seemed like a big flip flop of a story. I know Elizabeth Banks would have been spotty throughout the show but I think just keeping her in America and just used as a guest spot for a few episodes would have been a lot smoother than the entire Korea storyline and divorce.

Any other stories you think were underwhelming?

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Good point about Avery. Also: Don't forget--Jack's KID!

Geez, I'm aware that Jack is an ambitious capitalist with a capital OOMPH, but still--his kid was invisible to him! For a character many of us have endeared ourselves to, in spite of whatever "quirks" he may have, it's kind of disappointing to see him be so nonchalant towards his kid.

Other things:
I'm one of the rare fans who never liked the fake shows they had throughout the series: "Bitch Hunter" was too obvious with its crass title/concept, "MILF Island" I guess was fine but I never was ecstatic about it either. All the fake game shows were underwhelming to me, too... strangely, for such a clever show I never was impressed by their attempts to parody real-life shows like that.

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I don't think Jack was ever nonchalant about his kid. She wasn't the focus on the show but we don't see every second of his life. And what we did see showed him as a loving and doting father. That when he did let work take over he realized he was wrong (after Devon couldn't give up being with his kids).

She was around less after Avery returned, which made sense since he was then sharing custody.



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Bad story decisions? Far and away, the worst choice was the whole multi-season plot arc with Kriss. Just about wrecked the show.

Others? The obligatory B/C-plots for Tracy in the first three seasons. Too many of them weren't funny because either the writing wasn't there or Morgan's acting was off. I'm not saying he was wrong as an element of the show, just that they were forcing by trying to give him his own story line in each episode. In fact, some of the funniest Tracy moments are when he's playing the jester in a Liz- or Jack-focused plot arc.

Not continuing to flesh out the writer's room characters. They had some really good stuff in the early seasons with Frank, Twofer, Cerie, etc. More importantly, creating comic foils for Liz among the people she was managing drove her own humor better. The herding-cats-on-meth aspect of Liz wrangling the writers worked better for her character than her exasperations with people outside her work life.

Not enough Dr. Spaceman. Of course, he's a classic case of a character who should be used sparingly in order to preserve his humor, but they got away from using him in Seasons 5 and 6. Might have been an actor availability issue.

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The show centered around the dynamic between Liz and Jack, and their personal lives. If you were expecting a major plot arc involving Cerie, you probably also think that Liz lives in midtown. Oh that's right, you do think that.
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The worst storyline the show ever did was the Jack/Nancy/Avery love triangle in Season 4. Too drawn out, too boring, and too stereotypical, especially for a show as savvy as 30 Rock.

I can't think of any others that bothered me too much, at least in terms of long-term storytelling.

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Jack being attracted to Avery's mother. Barf.


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Not necessarily a bad storyline, but a weak point of the show was the "new cast member" arc at the beginning of Season 4. It wasn't that the episodes were bad, in fact, they were funny. It's that they didn't go anywhere with it. Danny was brought on TGS, but rarely appeared. Obviously he wasn't a series regular, but the fact that they went absolutely nowhere with him was frustrating because they spent several episodes leading up to his introduction.

I was also disappointed with Avery's exit. While Jack's love interests were generally pretty interesting, they weren't great at ending them. But that's a common theme in TV shows.

I was never crazy about Paul/Jenna. While Jenna is vain enough to want to date a drag queen version of herself, I felt like a lot of the time their storylines went no where. At least Angie got her own show and brought a creative slant to the style of 30 Rock. Paul just seemed somewhat unnecessary in terms of story and development.

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Well, I think we now know what was going on with the inconsistent development of Danny. At the time I assumed Jackson's Broadway commitments were keeping him away from 30 Rock, but apparently he was battling the bottle at the time.

Man, drunken guest stars, Tracy Morgan's psycho rampages, Baldwin's rage meltdowns...what else did Tina have to deal with that we don't know about?

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Oh I didn't realize that. Thanks!

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"Battling the bottle"? What century are you in?

Jackson was a professional, and any alleged alcoholism (source, please?) had nothing to do with the brevity of his role on "30 Rock".


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I don't think the show ever did a lousy season or ever got even moderately bad, but there were a few things here and there I wish they would've done differently.

For example, I wish Nancy was the romantic endgame for Jack. Baldwin and Julianne Moore just worked so well together, and their relationship was alot easier to root for than Jack/Avery.

I wish they brought Molly Shannon, Nathan Lane, and Jack's other siblings back to the show a couple times. I was also really sad when Colleen died at the end. I was convinced she faked her death.

I also never really bought Jenna/Paul. But hey, that's a minor complaint.

I felt like they jammed alot of major life events for the characters in the last ten shows or so. Jenna and Paul getting married. Liz finally getting married and adopting kids. Jack's mother dying, and leading him down an existential rabbit hole, of sorts. We saw alot of growth in the characters in that last season. It might have worked better if they spreaded that out a little more, like if the final season were 22 shows.

But regardlessly, I feel like the show's ending was flawless. This really was a special show.

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The worst storyline for me was the whole Danny (Cheyenne Jackson) storyline in Season 4 because it ultimately led nowhere with that character.

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I actually said this at the time of the rise and demise of the Danny storyline: It was perfect as is. It portrayed the "process of finding a new cast member" for a show like TGS, without jarring the actual show ("30 Rock") with a truly new addition to the show, lol.

Get what I mean? It pleased both sides of the situation. :)

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The storyline with Hazel the page from Hell. Stupid and boring

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The Queen of Jordan episodes were easily the low point. Going with larger storylines, I was disappointed Kenneth didn't climb up the corporate ladder gradually, instead of going from janitor to head of the network practically overnight, which I'm sure would have gone over well with investors.

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The Queen of Jordan episodes were easily one of the high points.

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Jack's infatuation with his wife's mother.

Any episode involving Liz's boyfriends.


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