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Plot holes, mistakes, and general stupidities!!! (a list for fun)


I *LOVE* this movie, but sometimes it's fun to just look through our favorites and find what's wrong with them (like in Harry Potter, one of my favorite book series EVER: why can't he see the thestrels in his first four years at Hogwarts? Why did Harry's father come out of Voldy's wand before his mother in Prior Incantatem? But I digress ;-)

This board really took off over on Andromeda Strain, so I thought we should try it here!

This is a list of plot holes, mistakes, and general stupidities we found as we watched (and rewatched) the movie. No criticizing, getting angry, or correcting the list please: this is all for fun!

I'll start:

1) During the car chase in London, Riley had his MacBook, which has a webcam in it, so why bother running the red light? Why not just take a picture of the plank with his webcam?

2) How does finding the city of gold prove innocence? He still could have been in league with the KGC!

3) with the Lincoln assassination scene: In reality, nobody heard the gun go off. People were laughing too loudly (and Booth knew to shoot him then because he was an actor and was familiar with the play).

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• You can fly from New York to Paris to London and back again in what seems like little more than three days and still seem as fresh and attentive as if you'd literally just stepped out of your front door.

• French traffic cops speak perfect English and will help you translate complex world puzzles.

• If you're drunk and verbally abusive to the staff at Buckingham Palace they will take you to a small lock-up that looks suspiciously like the lost property department and will leave you there for several minutes without supervision. In no way will they escort you from the premises or turn you over to the London metropolitan police, which would be the much more realistic alternative.

• The city of gold is basically just one large temple hidden inside a mountain. Not much of a city.

• Centuries old mechanical devises that are hidden inside antique wooden desks work perfectly without maintenance.

• The president will accuse you of kidnap, forcing you to engage in a deadly game of cat and mouse with a highly trained FBI sniper unit, compromising the safety of your friends and family and costing a small fortune in secret defence funds, only to then admit that nothing really happened.

• You can have a high-speed pursuit through the streets of London and at no point will the police intervene. In fact, you'll be able to leave the country almost immediately as if nothing had ever happened.

• When trying to record the existence of a rare artefact, better to trust a speed-camera in a country you've never before visited.

• Why didn't they just take a picture of the wood carving while still in Buckingham Palace? There was no real reason to remove it.

• People who try to run you down, shoot at you, force you off the road, hold a gun to your elderly mother and threaten to kill her if you don't cooperate will later claim that the entire thing had been an attempt to elicit your help in clearing up some pre-generational dispute. Why not just ask in the first place?

• In no way would Jon Voight and Helen Mirren create a child as odd-looking as Nicholas Cage.

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With all the satellites for geological research orbiting the earth, none have ever noticed the huge amounts of precious metal underground, or the huge cavities they are apparently in. (especially NT1, the huge cave under the church in the middle of a city, I'm finding it hard to believe)

Nobody hiking around that lake near Mt. Rushmore has ever noticed the eagle graffiti with its peculiar hole on the rocks on a rainy day, or the apparently open exit at the end of that escape chute.

150+ years ago, digging/mining a huge cave and constructing intricate mechanincal systems in the landscape apperently leaves no marks in the surroundings, like workers that died on the job, earth that seems out of place, or tools. The Egyptians, Romans, Greeks and others were just lazy and sloppy in creating construction sites, mines and villages for workers near the actual relic/building.

Even IF finding the treasure cleared Thomas Gates name, why is his name on a list of people that are proven to have conspired against the president?

That platform managed to maintain its delicate balance for over 150 years?

At some point during the movie it is stated that Mt. Rushmore was sculpted to cover up clues, but when they get there, no one speaks a word about this cover-up. Besides, all the clues needed are there.

The president doesn't bother to check whether or not Ben Gates was invited to his birthday party. Nor does the security guard Gates passes just after getting out of his scuba suit. Maybe all treasure hunters/protectors are invited to the US Presidents birthday party (furthermore, Ben Gates doesn't even have the common courtesy to congradulate the president).

Area 51 was fully visible on Google Earth (and Maps) at the release of this movie. Nothing noteworthy about that for Rileys book (at least not regarding the existance of Area 51). I think the US government moved all the secret stuff in there a long time ago.

The 5 or so people sprinkling water on the rocks from .5 litre bottles were very very lucky to start at pretty much exactly the right spot, they hardly had enough water to cover 10 m2 of rock, what if the graffiti was 30 meters further?

As somebody else pointed out, the article about the treasures discovery is known and printed a day in advance. Not only that, the entire newspaper is layed out. Maybe American newspapers have their entire edition printed 24 hours in advance of their release, that country truly is up to date with the news.



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I don't know if anyone's mentioned it yet, but when Ben is in his father's study, as he's sitting down, a pile of books with a cup or something on top begins to fall, but no sound is made.

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not exactly a plot hole, but the scene where cage plays the out of control drunk american at buckingham palace is absurdly bad. i felt embarrassed for him. i never thought he is a good or even a decent actor, now i know he is just terrible.

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NT4: The Search for Spock (again)

"Mediocre Marx Brothers is better than no Marx Brothers!"

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Of course it's only a movie, so we shouldn't mind a car chase that results in no consequences. Also this film is certainly loaded with technical bloopers (like the MacBook webcam @redlight-- good catch)
For me, the largest plot hole occurs when Gates&Co realize that Mitch is actually after a City of Gold, not so much to smear the Gates name. Gates makes a statement like "We can't let the Confederacy get that treasure." Then the action really begins!

1) If Mitch is successful in finding the gold, then he can use the money to help the South win the War... uh never mind. So why work so hard to beat him to it? He's already shown himself to be a liar and a turd.

2) So if they had made it to Mt.Rushmore and then got trapped inside; all bets are off-- something like this would happen next:
Ben's Mom: Y'know, this buttwipe Mitch held me at gunpoint and threatened your dad too.
Ben: That's too many reasons to dance on your face dude! No one messes with my Mommy.

The quest for gold is delayed until Mitch gets his a$$ kicked! As if Mitch knows where the alternate exit is.

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The one that always bothered me the most:

If the Presidential Book is so important, why would they keep it in the Library of Congress where anybody could theorertically find it? One would think it would be stored in a safe in the Oval Office or something.

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On a linear timeline, the part that was so blatantly obvious to me and somewhat ruined my enjoyment of the movie was that the conspiracy with the KGC and Booth assassinating Lincoln occurred in 1865. Fine, that is fact. Then, the hidden code that is written in the cipher refers to Laboulaye's Lady, a statue that was not completed until 1876. Not buying that for one moment. Or the fact that the "Resolute Twin" desks were made after the HMS Resolute was decommissioned circa 1880. All of this could have been foreseen 10-15 years before all this was done? Back in 1865? That just bothered me.

Also, I agree that the stoplight car chase scene really ticked me off. I believe visitors aren't allowed to visit Buckingham Palace in the spring, but beside the point, they have a MacBook with a built in camera but have to use a speed camera in a foreign country, and then HACK INTO THE TRAFFIC DATABASE TO GET THE PICTURE?!?!?!?! So after all that, they actually have to USE THE COMPUTER!!! AHH it's frustrating. Then, correct me if I am wrong but Wilkinson does not know about the plank right? So why do they have to throw it into the Thames? Why not throw something random, like their broken-phones-that-work-throughout-the-entire-movie-but-conveniently-do-not-work-during-this-scene.

Also, the scene on Mt. Rushmore was stupid. Even if they all had 10 bottles of water EACH, how in the hell can they sprinkle that much water on that much rock to see that. This is even more evident when you see Diane Kruger's character pouring half of her bottle onto the one small patch of rock that revealed the eagle. Annoying.

All in all, LOVED the first movie. It was flawed too of course, but it was entertaining. I liked this movie, but wanted to love it, unfortunately the flaws were too many to ignore.

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Actually it wasn't in a public section of the library. He needed the code to get into the area. Also the head FBI guy knew it was there so there could've been more protection for it if anyone else ever got too close.

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I love that this is still going! :D

Thank you to all posters who stayed on topic!

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~Anne Hathaway

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In thinking that the Lost City is of ancient Mayan--at least of centuries old Native--origin, I can't help but wonder that if there is this "President's Book", how in the hell did Washington/Adams/Jefferson, much less Lincoln, acquire it in the first place?

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