The end of japanese chick's story was so . . . incestous !!!
She, high on ecstacy, standing naked infront of her father !
Gosh, what have filmmakers come to there days !
"With great Power. . comes . . . great Responsibility".
She, high on ecstacy, standing naked infront of her father !
Gosh, what have filmmakers come to there days !
"With great Power. . comes . . . great Responsibility".
I don't think it was incestous. He is her father, he doesn't look at her naked body in a sexual way that would make him feel TOO uncomfortable. Yeah, he probably wish he didn't have to see his teenage daughter naked, but with all of the emotions that had been going on (her being distant and angry at him, the detective mentioning the mother's death and the father being hurt by the memory of his wife's suicide), I don't think he really cared about her being naked - he just wanted to embrace her to tell her everything is OK.
Awesome huh??
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What would you know about ecstacy? Sometimes being naked is just being naked, that is unless one has a hang-up about the way one was created - perfect without clothes. In the U.S. we are immature about such but much of the world is ok with their bodies & feel trust with some people, like family. So it's just is what it is & if you read into it, well, go ahead but it's simply your take of it, your subjective interpretation of it. WE all create our view, our world, just that some do so consciously & some with drama, right & wrong, ego & less-ons (to let go of).
shareOnce again, not seeing someone sexual doesn't mean we need to hug them like that, for cripe's sake; it's a little weird.
shareAre you kidding me? I have no idea how you guys think the end scene with the father is incestuous it is so obviously not that I don't feel I even need to back that statement up with reasons... Incest in morocco? I was also under the impression that she was taken in by the family. When Yussef and Ahmed are telling their father about shooting at the bus, Ahmed says "Shes a street girl and he spies on her." Even if she wasn't adopted I still would not call it incest. I am sure lots of curious young boys have spied on their sister, does not mean incest.
It's not incestious, just inappropriate, and the rock scene was simply disgusting.
shareWhen somebody needs to comforted, you should comfort them and not worry about covering them up. There are families I know where clothing is optional in the home and it isn't sexual. If the father had gone to look for something to cover her up with instead of comforting her she may have jumped. Ecstasy can cause people to become overly sensitive and see and feel rejection even when it isn't there and overreact when they are rejected.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
What if someone needed comforting in the shower? For pete's sake, he had a coat he should have given her; the scene was asinine.
shareI disagree. Her nakedness is a symbol of being vulnerable and open. She learned to be vulnerable and open with the police officer. Then she was able to be vulnerable with her father.
shareShe wanted to SLEEP with the police officer, and yes, we get she's vulnerable; we've seen that in various stages throughout her freaking story.
shareIt was weird, but her soul is even more naked than her body in that moment.
Her father finally can see how hurted is she, because for the first time she shows her as-she-is, she shows her real feelings and solitude.
Ok, she's naked but I think this scene must be watched metaphorically.
That's a good point Cauldron, but the strangeness could have been rectified by him seeing her unclothed, then covering her and making her warm before they hugged.
shareYes, I understand. But I don't see anything wrong and I assure you that I really HATE any useless naked scene in movies.
Covering her is a very logical and rational action to do, I think that the director chose to leave her naked to give more emotional power to the scene. I can really feel her vulnerability, it's like she's regressed to a baby status, so her father embracing her naked body doesn't hurt me at all.
Anyway, I can understand that's weird for someone... everyone can watch the scene with his/her own sensitivity. Well, I find weird that they embrace on the balcony, where everybody can see them! ;) Embracing the daughter inside the apartment could have been a womb-symbolism.
I agree that the entire point of Chieko's nudity was to reflect her absolute vulnerability. She tried to suppress her grief for her mother, but it came out in poor impulse control, including anger, exhibitionism, experimenting with any substance she was handed, acting out sexually, and isolating herself by shoving away her dad. In other words, she acted like a teenager in trouble. This movie is about overcoming the inability to communicate. In Chieko's case, the difficulty of communicating with a grief-stricken teenager is exacerbated by her deafness. Chieko and her dad were both unable to bridge the emotional chasm between them until the very last scene, when Chieko was literally stripped of all defenses and had to choose one of two places to go...off the balcony to join her mother in death or toward her grieving father. When Chieko reached out to her dad, she was choosing to live and open herself to the terrible pain that she had been trying to suppress. That she was finally willing to allow herself to turn to her dad and receive his comfort in her grief is why her dad's face was filled with joy as he embraced her. The idea that this reconciliation could have been incestuous never occurred to me.
shareThe scene with her father was not incestuous. Her friend making out with her own cousin was incestuous, the sister giving the brother a peep show was incestuous.
shareYeah, what the heck's with the trash in this film? The cousin making out while they're high I can forgive, not the rest.
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It was awkward and maybe some could say wrong, but it wasn't incestuous.
shareThere was nothing incestuous about the final scene with Chieko and her Dad. I can't believe how some people can so misconstrue what they're seeing.
Chieko is painfully aware of how her deafness is isolating her from mainstream society. She's distant from her father. She's a teenage girl whose sexuality is just beginning to burgeon, yet her condition prevents her from exploring it the usual ways. She is rejected and humiliated when she's approached by the young guy (whose friends set him up as a heartless prank) while she's out with her friends after the volleyball game. The dentist rejects her inappropriate advances and tells her to get lost. She sees her best friend making out with the guy she was interested in at the club. I found it quite poignant the way the viewer experienced that scene through her senses - light show, people dancing around having fun, yet all in complete silence for her. She tries to dance, but without the music it's meaningless to her and is just another cruel way of making her feel that she doesn't fit. Miserable, she leaves the club, only to see a street band playing on her way home, yet again driving home the fact that she has never heard music and has no concept of what it sounds like.
Later at home, she arranges for the cop to come around with the plan of seducing him. The cop resists her clumsy advances but for once doesn't completely reject her. He shows her genuine warmth and empathy, and she begins to understand that this is what she really needs. Finally she's alone out on the balcony, still naked and contemplating suicide, when her father arrives home. She hasn't been able to go through with killing herself because she desperately wants to live, and the cop, despite knocking back her advances, has given her a glimmer of hope, enough to make her hesitate. Finally she reaches out to her father, not out of lust but need - the need for reassurance and validation, to know that she matters to someone and is valued. And most importantly, that she is not isolated and alone.
So yeah, she's naked on the balcony. She got naked for the cop. After the cop has left she's begun to contemplate ending it all. She's not going to think, "Well - I better go and get dressed for the big jump". Her father instinctively knows that covering her up is not what's immediately important. What's important is that his little girl is in a desperate crisis and she needs his comfort and protection. Now.
How anyone gets incest from that scene I don't know. I think that says more about the viewer than it does about the scene. In fact I'd be interested to know how many of those who see incest in this scene are themselves childless.
Well stated.
Couldn't agree more. Great stuff.
shareOh gag me. Comfort and protection means putting his freaking coat over her so she won't catch cold. I mean seriously, not another tiresome reboot of her whole story, like we didn't see that already. It was simply a stupid decision to film her remaining that way, like we hadn't seen enough of the "brilliant symbolism" of every freaking angle of her already.
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