I felt like it was a relatively kind film, no one really dies etc. until Po kills Tai-Lung at the end, even though you don't see it.
I would of rather Tai-Lung, sort of repenting and bowing down to Po as his master with the furious five and having them all get along, shi-fu reunited with his defacto-son etc. Do you guys like that idea?
it's not uncommon as an ending in kung-fu movies so it rather goes with the style.
I'm not sure Tai Lung actually dies. We don't see what happens to him, so maybe he was just incapacitated and locked back up. If he did die, I agree that it's kind of out-of-character for the movie.
I think they should've shown Po carrying an unconscious yet still clearly alive Tai Lung at the end of the movie. The Furious Five could've bowed to him when they see definitive proof that Po won the fight, and Po could've said that he admired and respected Tai Lung for being such a great fighter.
Maybe they should have joined hands and had a sing-a-long at the end too! Don't be such a mamby-pamby!
Po kicked Tai Lung's butt and sent him to the four corners of the wind and that's all that he needed to do. He relieved Tai Lung's pain, gained the respect of his master, the town and the Furious Five.
After Tai Lung got a hold of the scroll and saw it contained nothing, his entire purpose in life was as blank as that scroll. His soul was completely empty at that point and there was nothing anyone could have done to give such an obsessed leopard purpose again.
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I would have liked to see Tai Lung reformed as well. There was a point in the battle with Shifu when his eyes softened and he almost seemed to forgive his old master.
But I don't think that Shifu and Tai Lung should or even could have been reunited so easily. Even if Tai Lung bowed down to Po, he still attacked the valley, probably even killed some people, and attempted to kill his former master. He would have to do something to reconcile his past, perhaps become a monk and pledge to live a non-violent life.
I didn't think Tai-Lung died at the end, it was just convenient not having to deal with him.
If he dies, it's sad. If he repents after being defeated, he gets locked back up, which is still sad. If he doesn't repent after being defeated, he's just a douche and there's no point to showing him after being defeated anyway. So the way it ended probably seems like it's the most appropriate.
What I was disappointed with though was the final battle. I understand that the film was set up so that Po had to defeat Tai-Lung on his own, but I have two problems with the way it was handled.
One, the other masters should have played a role in the final battle; I didn't like having them along for the whole movie, developing a relationship with Po, then disappearing until the resolution.
Two, the final battle was completed in like three minutes. Po had almost no problem taking care of the seemingly unstoppable Tai-Lung. I would have liked it more if he had some trouble, came close to defeat, refused to give up, then defeated Tai-Lung. This would have reflected his arc in the story, his refusing to give up, and have shown him to have really changed.
Otherwise, pretty satisfying movie.
I'd like to have seen Tai Lung redeemed, if for no other reason than I actually liked his character. As bad guys go, he really wasn't so terrible.
I do think he was killed, though; they made it pretty clear that the finger-hold move Po was using was some sort of devestating attack, and when he used it, it was the only time Tai Lung showed any fear at all...and he showed A LOT. I think he died, but being a cartoon they didn't show it,just the golden explosion or whatever.
I don't think the five should have been involved, nor should Po have had any significant trouble. The entire point of Oogway's prediction and the scroll being blank was that Po really was the Dragon Warrior, and that he needed no assistance to deal with Tai Lung. Po is the only person who really understood the scroll and accepted it; it's one of the reasons he was chosen to be the Dragon Warrior. The others couldn't understand it or accept it, but he could. He had to win on his own, to show Oogway had been right. I do wish the five had been there to actually see the fight, though; no one did, which seems a bit unfair to Po.
Tai-Lung being redeemed would have been great, but his character was too vain to show any real regret for his actions. I can easily see why they ended it as they did.
I've got to disagree about the finger-hold move. Your argument implies that either Po knew he was about to kill Tai-Lung, or he was using a move which he didn't fully understand the consequences of. I can't believe that Po would willingly kill another character.. truly F'ed up if he did.
As for the five being involved, I can understand your argument. I guess the way it ends right now, the five just serve as extra filler during Po's training; otherwise it would just be Po and Shifu for half the movie, which would get old fast. I agree that the friends/town seeing the final battle would have been more satisfying. Oh well.
I can't believe that Po would willingly kill another character.. truly F'ed up if he did.
The movie never made the claim that the villain (whose name escapes me) had ever killed anyone. For Po to have willingly killed a villain who had simply beaten some people up seems like an unfair overreaction. That's why.
shareWatch it again. Because it's a cartoon they don't explicitly show it, but he killed many of the guards at the prison when he blew part of it up. Also, from what tigress says in her narrative, Tai-Lung "took his revenge" on the entire village until Oogway stopped him, implying that he caused quite a lot of damage...damage that would almost certainly have killed people in the valley.
Cartoons frequently "soften" bad guys, but it's pretty clear they're BAD. Ever watch Sleeping Beauty? Do you really think Meleficent the evil witch ISN'T trying to kill Prince Charming? Or that Captain Hook wasn't doing his best to kill Peter Pan? Or take a more recent example: Shrek. Think the dragon wasn't trying to kill them all? What about all those bodies and bones lying about? Or the "Robin Hood" guy who flatly says he plans to kill Shrek, or the knights at the contest who are ORDERED to kill Shrek by Farquhat?
No, death in cartoons isn't a rarity at all...it's just humorized or covered up to be less shocking. I don't think there is any doubt that Tai-Lung was a killer, and that he in turn was killed by Po with the wuxi finger hold, or whatever it was called.
Your argument is a bit flawed.
You use the seemingly murderous intentions of other villains in other cartoons to justify that a villain in a different cartoon had similar intentions. There's no correlation or reason to perceive such a similarity, just because they're both cartoon villains; you're just making an inference.
You might not doubt he was a killer, but we saw no murder, no one used the words 'kill', 'murder', 'dead', or anything to that effect, and any assumptions you make beyond that is just to make yourself feel justified in believing that Po had a reason to kill Tai-lung, if he even did so.
I'm not saying it's impossible that Tai-Lung might have wanted to kill, or did kill, anyone in this movie. I'm just saying that "took his revenge" doesn't imply murder and that the movie never made it explicitly clear that he wanted to, or did, kill anyone.
You assume he killed the guards when the prison blew up, assume he killed an entire village, all just to make an argument.
My argument is that it wasn't clear if he was a murderer, as no one even went as far as to CALL him one, while your argument is that some assumptions and implications can lead to a very clear-cut conclusion.
I'm leaving room for doubt in the face of a lack of evidence while you're very willing to assume things you have no reason to deduce from the evidence at hand.
Whatever floats your boat, just recognize you're assuming things without proper justification.
Wow, take that broom out, will you?
None of that was collected for the sake of this one particular argument. This is what most people thought of and understood WHILE they watched the movie.
You use the seemingly murderous intentions of other villains in other cartoons to justify that a villain in a different cartoon had similar intentions.
You assume he killed the guards when the prison blew up, assume he killed an entire village, all just to make an argument.
it wasn't clear if he was a murderer, as no one even went as far as to CALL him one
Lol broom.
Okay. You generally agree that Tai Lung killed all the villagers, though it was loosely implied with the line 'destroyed a village.'
Found an interesting site discussing this, here's the link and a quote;
"1. We are never shown anything other than vague scenes of destruction. There is no evidence that Tai Lung ever harmed another soul, in fact, it seems likely that he did not. For when he encounters Oogway and Shifu, they are still at the Jade Palace. If Tai Lung were really murdering helpless innocents, it seems likely that they would have come to their aid. If they had dispatched underlings to stop him, why is this important detail completely ignored? And if they simply allowed him his murderous rampage, what kind of admiral heroes are they? So we can conclude that the charges against him are at least minimally inflated."
Read more: http://sportales.com/martial-arts/defending-tai-lung/
I still disagree with the idea that the lovable protagonist would choose to obliterate this bad guy, possibly vaporizing him out of existence. Just too hard to believe. Whatever floats your boat though. Feel free to argue this into oblivion. I'm done.
How do the people who have posted explain Shifu's description of the Wu-shi Finger Hold:"The hardest part is cleaning up afterward"? Does it mean cleaning up body parts and blood? When Po does it, does the cloud of dust mean that he "let one", or that he had one in the chamber and has to clean it up?
Ok, I know I'm being gross, but I think this post was just asking for it! LOL
That's what I thought. I generally don't like how things are played down... "The hardest part is cleaning up afterwards" is said before, so if this movie was more consistent, it would probably have a R Rating :D
But well, you could argue that Shifu just said that to scare Po.
I agree. It was a downer ending. The trouble is that Tai Lung was just too compelling a character. He had good reason for reacting the way he did, although he took it to extremes. In my view, he's just as heroic as Po, in his own way. I did not enjoy seeing him "die" (if he did die, in fact - the moviemakers won't say for sure). I hope to see him return and redeem himself in some future Kung Fu Panda sequel.
shareOMG, you all miss the point of the movie. Tai-Lung didnt die, just like there is no secret recipe for the noodles and the Dragon warrior there was never any secret finger move, he believed so much that it would cause him pain that it did, he probably was sent to jail, defeated.
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Tai Lung killed a lot of "people" and was in a high security prison. He busted out of prison and tried to kill Shifu so that he could have power. Although it would be nice to see him come around, admit defeat and apologize, I personally think that's a cop-out and a bad lesson. You can do horrible things but if you get defeated and say sorry, you'll be forgiven. I don't think he should've died (we don't know that he did). I think they should've just shown a clip at the end of him back in prison.
shareGranted if it is just saying sorry, but what if he truly had repented?
shareAnd what if the moon were made of green cheese?
We can speculate on "what-ifs" from here to tomorrow, but the facts as presented in the movie remain the same.
Supermodels...spoiled stupid little stick figures mit poofy lips who sink only about zemselves.
Well Pixar kills off a lot of characters in their films so why not this one?
shareIm not a big fat panda.. I'm THE big fat panda lol ^ ^
I've got a girlfriend punch that out of me bitches
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This is the most disappointing inconclusive ending since the Blair Witch Project. I guess the filmmakers couldn't decide if they wanted to keep Tai Lung around for a sequel so they left it agonisingly ambiguous. I don't think ambiguity works in this case.
shareI love that saying, and believe it.
Humility is stronger than force imo.
I think it would be a horrible idea to have Tai-Lung turned. That to me always sounds like a lame reason. Like they tried to come up with different idea and only came up with having him turned. Good thing that didn't happened!
Of course Tai.Lung was a villain and a murderer! He sat in a maximum security prison! What other reason would he be in there for?
He killed the guards, tried to kill Master Shifu and killed an entire village! Sounds like a really heroic guy:)
just because they don't SAY he's a murderer doesn't make him into a good guy. Sometimes it's what's IMLPLIED and what you SEE! that matters!
tai lung and shan are similar, they had the chance to not be killed but they just wont stop, neither po or shifu or oogway are the killer type, but they leave po no choice
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