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Did Noah save the fish? (saltwater and freshwater)


If the world was flooded and noah saved all the land animals, then what about the fish? The salt and freshwater fish would live in a mixed environment clearly hazardous to their health. Can anybody clear this up?

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This is what Christian Answers.net had to say about the matter:

However, the vast majority of these are capable of surviving in water and would not need to be brought aboard the ark. Noah need make no provision for the 21,000 species of fish or the 1,700 tunicates (marine chordates like sea squirts) found throughout the seas of the world, or the 600 echinoderms including star fish and sea urchins, or the 107,000 mollusks such as mussels, clams and oysters, or the 10,000 coelenterates like corals and sea anemones, jelly fish and hydroids or the 5,000 species of sponges, or the 30,000 protozoans, the microscopic single-celled creatures.

In addition, some of the mammals are aquatic. For example, the whales, seals and porpoises. The amphibians need not all have been included, nor all the reptiles, such as sea turtles, and alligators. Moreover, a large number of the arthropods numbering 838,000 species, such as lobsters, shrimp, crabs and water fleas and barnacles are marine creatures. And the insect species among arthropoda are usually very small. Also, many of the 35,000 species of worms as well as many of the insects could have survived outside the Ark.

Doncha just LOVE it?! People actually think it's a true story!!!!!

Presumably there WAS a flood, because a relic of an ark was found in 1948, BUT clearly NOT large enough to accommodate all the animals of the world. (LOL!) It was probably a localised flood, so Noah only needed to take two goats, two sheep, two cows, two...camels???

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Presumably there WAS a flood, because a relic of an ark was found in 1948




Do you have any evidence/links?







"By all means let's be open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains drop out" Dawkins

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You can find all the info here:

http://www.detailshere.com/noahsark.htm


"I never knew magic crazy as this"
Nick Drake
19/06/1948 – 25/11/1974
RIP

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There's no ark there, just an interesting rock formation.

Ron Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist with no scientific training is the clown who made false scientific claims about the site; He also claimed to have discovered the wheels of chariots from pharaoh’s army on the bed of the Red Sea, the pillar of salt that was once Lot’s wife, the Ark of the Covenant and the original Ten Commandments

"Evidence from microscopic studies and photo analyses demonstrates that the supposed Ark near Dogubayazit is a completely natural rock formation," said the 1996 paper published in the Journal of Geoscience Education. "It cannot have been Noah's Ark nor even a man-made model."


More info here


http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/report.asp




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There most likely was not that many diff. types of worms, etc. back then. Diff. types of animals and such have come along over the years (i.e. Ligers). And diff. "races" of people, such as those that are mixed.

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Well for one thing, fish live in water, so there would be no reason to put them in the ark.

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Yes fish do live in water, but some fish live in fresh water, some live in saltwater. If there were a huge flood this water would mix and the original question was could these fish survive in this climate or would Noah save them?

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there's such thing as brackish water (mix between salt water and fresh water, essentially salt water with a much less concentration of salt). Species of fish can live in this environment for certain periods of time. Some species actually live in this type of environment all their lives. ( look up archer fish, they live in brackish water, probably the coolest fish i've ever seen, they spit at flys from under the water to knock them out of the air, i used to have a few of them, as well as mudskippers).

it is possible for species to live in that mixed environment for a certain period of time. for how long would be hard to say.

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Thank you for stating the truth about the bible! -If the earth and the universe are too intricate and complicated to be the product of evolution and abiogenesis then a god able to design and create this would be even more improbable!-

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If there was a Noah flood, it probably wasn't as great as the Bible says. I wouldn't say the whole planet was flooded. But I'm not saying it did or didn't happen either.


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If you accepted a "noah" flood, why wouldn't you accept the bible's description of it? Why would you accept one part of the story and not another when there is no evidence for either part?

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Actually all the fish were saved by a hoard of 7 times 7 times 7 pink inflatable fairies. Well that's what it says in Revelation. Honest.

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I'm not atheist or religious.

Why?
Because atheists are really hard on people that are religious.
Cowardly bullies.

Things I have seen on message boards & comments from atheists.
"fairy tale" "wizard/fairy" "zombie"

Not forgetting that atheists bully vegetarians and vegans.

But the atheists will deny it or make up some stupid excuse about being the innocent ones.

Scientists changed the meaning of theory, because they don't want to be wrong about anything. Because everyone makes mistakes.

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But at least Noah was a drunk, so he had that going for him.

Actually there is a neat sordid story about what happened after the flood. The folks that lived then must've been reeeeaaallly bad if Noah was the best God could find!

Lets look at what happens. First, after saving all these animals, he promptly has to sacrifice some of them to God, because God likes the smell of burning flesh. Genesis 8:

20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord and, taking some of all the clean animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. 21 The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.


So saving 7 of some kinds had nothing to do with having more individual animals to help with the gene pool...those extra animals were to be killed as sacrifices.

So now God is promising...like the angry abusive father..."I'll never do that again." But he's sorry for cursing the ground, NOT for drowning the mass of humanity. What a guy!

Besides, he didn't destroy all living creatures, did he. More hyperbole. Why was God unable to inspire his folks to just write the truth? But it sure gives folks an easy out when OTHER things in the Bible don't say what they want them to say. We're simply not supposed to take the Bible literally.

But it gets even better. For those who don't think this whole thing is a made up fairy tale...

Genesis 9:

20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said,

“Cursed be Canaan!
The lowest of slaves
will he be to his brothers.”


Like I said, because he grows grapes, he gets drunk and lays around naked. And poor Ham saw him thus. I'd say that alone should have been punishment enough if punishment was warranted...the vision of his old shriveled father laying naked.

But, because Ham saw his father naked and told his brothers or because God only knows why, Noah decides to curse...his son. Not Ham, but his son. Now we have the basis for slavery right there in the Bible, mandated by the very righteous man who God thought was worthy of saving mankind! And, it conveniently (for those whose livelihood and fortune depended on slave labor) refers to slaves as cursed thus opening the way to treating them as less than human.

Exodus 21:

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.


That slave person is your property! See what I mean...less than human.

As the church lady on SNL used to say..."Well, isn't that special."

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There was no fish on Noah's ark


keep the change you filthy animal

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