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STILL ANNOYED THEY CANCELLED THIS SHOW YEARS LATER !!


I loved SG-1 and Atlantis equally, I have SG-1 on DVD and Atlantis on Blu Ray. I am still annoyed that the powers that be cancelled Atlantis in favour of Universe so didn't finish Atlantis properly. No 100th episode finale, no mini series finish, no shortened final 6th series to finish. I feel it was a slap in the face to fans and to the show and its actors. Yes, the creators did their best but they could only do so much and it was still left unfinished. Universe was ok and it did grow on me, and surprise, surprise the ratings were not good enough for it either so the powers that be cancelled that too. It too got an ok finish but still left undone. So all that and we are left with basically 2 unfinished shows and lots of annoyed fans. Years later perhaps it might be time to satisfy fans, creators and actors who perhaps want to finish what they started, and perhaps MGM and Syfy should wake up and see the huge money machine they had and continue to take advantage of that for every ones sake.

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I hate companies like MGM, they got the script for a new season but they won't produce new season nor release the script, it's like they know it might have a big success but their too scared to invest in it and too scared to let other people take a shot, they'd lose money for that. Lots of fans are even proposing to gather money from donations for a 6th season, or willing to at least buy a book that continues the story.

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The show was going downhill fast with the showrunners they had. They were out of ideas and were rehashing old stories or bringing back old SG-1 races. There were good episodes here and there in the last 3 seasons, but the promising storyline of the 1st season was not fulfilled IMHO.

The show should have been more serialized like they tried to make Universe. But by making it episodic, it seemed too much like SG-1 with different actors and that is not a compliment. The characters and actors were fine, but if the producers had mapped out a 4 or 5 year storyline for the show before it started, then I think the show would be better thought of in Sci-Fi fandom.

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To be fair, we didn't know it at the time, but MGM was on the verge of bankruptcy when Atlantis was canceled, so that had a lot to do with why they were unable to try to conclude/continue the show in another medium when the Sci fi channel canceled it. Now it's too late. There are books that are set after season 5, but another season just isn't happening. It's too expensive to rebuild all those sets for a movie or a show with no hope to run for multiple seasons and actors have moved on, so with their varied schedules it would be impossible to get them all together for any significant length of time. Plus you're not getting Jason Momao, who claims he turned down a Marvel movie because he thought it would be better for his career to not play another Ronan type character.

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I agree!! But I also know that there is no way Atlantis could be brought back together for many of the reasons xaeden mentioned. Although I read somewhere that David Hewlett owns the Atlantis set so that would be one bonus. As much as I would love for them to come out with another series it looks like our next Stargate fix will come in the form of a movie reboot but that isn't anything close to being a sure thing.

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Actually he owns (or at least used to own) parts of the Destiny set. Given how expensive storing these things can be for studios, I'm betting that as a lesser known TV actor and occasional independent film maker, (who uses his connections to make movies cheaply because he doesn't have enough pull to obtain much interest from financial backers) he doesn't have as much of it as the save SGU people like to think. And, again, I don't know that he still has anything at this point - I haven't been keeping up with David Hewlett news, but at the time of the announcement he said he bought it for a film that he was planning to shoot in 2013.

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He used the pieces of the set he has on the his movie, Debug. It's in post production at the moment. Has Jason Momoa in it.

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I am in complete, absolute 100% agreement! I still miss this show so damn much!

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I am so pissed they cancelled all the good shows like SG1, Atlantis, SGU, Firefly, Battlestar, Farscape and so on and we haven't seen any decent sci-fi (in a space enviroment) since. There should be a viewer-base for something like this considering how much the star treck movies have grossed. All we see on tv is *beep* cop- and crime shows like CSI and so on. Its been so many years now, so it why not try and introduce something and give it a chance to develop plsss.

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I am so pissed they cancelled all the good shows like SG1, Atlantis, SGU, Firefly, Battlestar, Farscape and so on and we haven't seen any decent sci-fi (in a space enviroment) since. There should be a viewer-base for something like this considering how much the star treck movies have grossed. All we see on tv is *beep* cop- and crime shows like CSI and so on. Its been so many years now, so it why not try and introduce something and give it a chance to develop plsss.


Couldn't agree with andreas more.

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I can't believe it's been 5yrs, I remember my friend getting me into the show around season 2, was hooked right away.

I miss Firefly as well. Battlestar I was just getting into thanks to netflix.

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I don't remember hearing about Battlestar Galactica being cancelled. I hate that all three Stargate shows, Firefly, Dollhouse, and Almost Human were cancelled. The only things on the Syfy channel to watch are reality shows now that they cancelled Defiance, Alphas, Warehouse 13, Eureka, and Dominion. Warehouse 13 and Eureka were the only reasons why I watched that channel along with Doctor Who marathons.

If it's all the same to you, I'll have that drink now.-Loki (Marvel's Avengers)

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I just started watching this again on Amazon Prime and it occurred to me that we needed another thread on here cursing out that whole SGU fiasco (I watched almost every ep of that and it never grew on me). While I didn't particularly like SG1 and only really started regularly watching that when Claudia and Ben joined the cast, SGA has been just about the best regular series that ever happened on the SyFy channel for me (after Farscape). SGA's only been off-the-air for ~five years now but it seems like it has been much longer.

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Although I thought they tried a little to hard to be dark, I loved the short lived series. Thought it had potential to be as good as any of the previous 2 series in the franchise. To bad TV suits decided most people wanted to watch stupid vampire/werewolf and lame cop shows.

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In my opinion SGU was a very good idea with great potential. They COULD have made a StarGate show, that was easy to get in for a new audience and different enough to justify its existence. However they managed to ruin it with the instant introduction and (too) regular exploitation of these stupid stones. They were a terrible idea. "Hey, let's create something new and fresh for a new audience and tie it in with some ridiculous Ancient technology not appearing in the first half series of SG-1 to not loose the contact to earth, where we could invent stories that nobody wants to hear, except those who want to know what happens at the SGC".

I didn't follow SG-1 regularly before (made a rerun recently though) and Atlantis was sort of a low-budget-spinoff (I'm not commenting on the actual budget, but on the look and feel). SGU was actually the first SG series I had 'completed', and it is terrible, only because of the stones and its ties to the old series. Seriously, how many episodes deal with problems on earth - probably more than in 5 seasons of Atlantis.

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I *hated* those stones.

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I can agree that when farscape met SG1 there was a very different sort of acting and in act Claudia was so good that I am quite sad upset it ever ended. Watched the very last part Continuum yesterday.

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Thought I was the only one! I was SO disappointed when they cancelled this show. I don't understand why they did that only to follow it up with another series. I could never get into the newer one.

If it was so expensive to keep producing Atlantis, then how was it cheaper to produce a new show??

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I miss everything about the Stargate verse...except for Universe. That *beep* sucked!!

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Yep i was so disappointed to and i did not buy what they said about why they cancelled it. They run out of story ideas come on that's *beep* i reachen they stoped becouse of money. And what ever happened to the movies they were going to do i was looking forward to that.

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What are you talking about? They did not say they ran out of story ideas. Rather, they talked about how they were in the process of brainstorming for season 6 when they were canceled (they knew things didn't look good, but they were hoping they would get picked up anyway). The Atlantis movie, itself, was taken from their plans for the first two episodes of a possible season 6. So I do not know where you got that idea from as they were prepared to make a season 6 if given the opportunity. The show was just growing increasingly more costly and were receiving lower ratings, so the Sci fi channel wanted to push something new.

As for why a movie was never produced... originally the Sci fi channel was supposed to air the movie, but all of the sudden not another word was said about that and it transitioned into an MGM problem. After which, MGM was said to be reluctant to green light it because the DVD market had crashed right after the first two Sg-1 movies were produced. While true, what we didn't know at the time was that MGM was suffering significant financial problems and ended up unable to fund even sure things like a James Bond sequel and The Hobbit movies as they fell into bankruptcy. By the time they started pulling themselves together SGU had been off the air and the Atlantis sets (which are too expensive to rebuild for just a low budget movie) had been dismantled because they couldn't justify the storage expense (they also auctioned off all the props from the shows).

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They said that they had already started on the sixth season and that the storys were not up to par. And i know about the MGM staff thats why i said it had to do with money they said this at one of the conventions. Just not the money side

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Okay, well, I don't know who said what at conventions. However, Joe Mallozzi has talked about this in his blog and he has said that they hadn't begun actually working on stories for season 6 in terms of physically writing them. They were just in very early stages of the brainstorming process. Aside from knowing what they wanted to do with the first two episodes season 6, they really didn't have any definitive new plans, which is par for the course as, if you had read his blog while earlier seasons were in production, you'd see that he always would talk about writing/serious planning for the upcoming season occurring after the previous season wrapped up. So, I am unsure as to why someone would make it sound like they were actively developing season 6 and decided that they didn't have quality episode ideas when the show ended.

Here's a link to Mallozzi's blog where you can see that as far as they got was putting together a list of episodes made up almost entirely of ideas that were pitched and passed over from previous seasons - https://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2008/09/30/september-30-2008-an-a u-season-6/ He talks briefly about being hopeful that they would get a season 6 pickup in that post and does so more extensively in other posts made around at time. So, again, I don't know why someone at a convention would be making it sound like they ended the show because they had run out of ideas when it's been well documented that the Sci fi channel canceled the show and decided to have Brad Wright and Robert C Cooper make SGU in its place.

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I think it's harder for a scfi show to keep going longer than five seasons due to the CGI and having to up the buget every year stargate sg1 was lucky they had proberly less CGI than atlantis did. Atlantis had some of the best CGI in T.V so to keep it up and to better it every year would of been hard. But at less we got five season's though

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The big cost after season 5 is usually related to actor salaries. For the most part, actors sign 5 year deals when they join a series and those deals usually favor the network since networks hold all the cards in most of those cases. That is to say that if you're not a name actor who they are courting, they can just go hire someone else who is willing to work for what they are willing to pay. But after that initial contract wears out, actors have far more bargaining power because they have been a part of the series' success. So they are usually able to renegotiate for higher pay and they usually only agree to sign one year deals from that point on so they can keep renegotiating for more money each year.

I'm not sure that that was applicable to Atlantis though as when Torri Higginson was let go it was said she had a 6 year contract. So it's possible that the others had 6 year deals too. In any case, the real big issue that was discussed at the time of the cancellation was the rising value of the Canadian dollar. Basically, they weren't saving as much money as they used to by filming in Vancouver to take advantage of exchange rates and with the ratings being what they were, after the show was thrown into the fall slot without a proper programming block, they weren't making as much money either. With it being unlikely that new viewers would suddenly be attracted en mass to a show of that age, the show ended up getting canceled in favor of a new concept that they hoped they could build an audience with.

Although, their logic was flawed because Atlantis wasn't a show that was in an optimal programming slot. If they moved it back to the summer where it didn't have as much competition and if they built a proper programming block around it instead of expecting it to carry the night on its own, it could have had higher ratings. This is evident by what happened with SGU (and Battlestar Galactica beforehand) as three shows died under those same conditions and the Sci fi channel did nothing. They claimed that they did with SGU by moving it to Tuesdays and pairing it with Caprica for a brief spell. But pairing it with an always poorly rated show and moving it to a night of even heavier competition is not trying. Also, they failed to mention how they gave it re-runs of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" as a lead-in and how the move away from Fridays was actually to make room for wrestling.

They also kept blaming people who DVR'd the show. Their excuse was that they had more tech savvy viewers that a lot of other networks and so they were being in hurt in the live ratings. Unfortunately, at the time, advertisers were refusing to take DVR ratings very seriously and so a lot of shows got wiped out during that time (DVR ratings carry more weight and bring in more revenue today though). But the Sci fi channel seemed to refuse to accept that they weren't helping things with their idiotic programming decisions. If people are shifting more to recorded viewing you have to increase incentive for people to watch live and instead they just kept putting certain shows up, alone, against heavy competition because they wanted to maintain this idea of "year round programming" even though they didn't have enough original programming to make it work.

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What you feel like the case should be and what is the case are two very different things. Actors, writers, and producers from all manner of TV shows have talked about the classic 5 year contract over the years and how that impacts the life of a TV show. Basically, there are often incentives within a multi-year contract where actors can get pay bumps, but no, they don't generally have negotiating power within a multi-year term contract and the reason for that is because the industry is pretty firm on the ~5 year contract model. So if an actor wants to work in TV that's what they have to commit to.

Granted, in rare instances where a show is extremely successful, the studio may agree to an early renegotiation because they want to keep a particular star happy, but most actors infamously have no such luck. I say infamously because these contracts are well known to favor studios by locking actors into salaries when they don't have the kind of star power that they do as a successful series progresses. If you don't believe me, you're welcome to google it.

Here, just a super quick google search brought up information like the following. You should have no problem finding more verification if you want to put in a little more effort.


2. RENEWALS DON'T EQUAL BIG RAISES: Pay bumps for second and third seasons used to be 5 percent. Now it's 3 or 4 percent.

One-sided contracts increasingly finagle in the fine print over raises,

2. RENEWALS DON'T EQUAL BIG RAISES: Pay bumps for second and third seasons used to be 5 percent. Now it's 3 or 4 percent.

PHOTOS: The Faces of Pilot Season 2014

3. … OR EVEN A RAISE AT ALL: Bumps in season two used to be automatic, but new deals require episode minimums. Says the lawyer: "Some places, if you haven't gotten to 22 in season three, you still don't get a raise."


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-actors-no-leverage-get-68184 1

8. They don't understand how long the contract may last.

In the case of a test option agreement for a television show, the broadcaster may have the option to engage the actor at a preset price for a number of years (six years is not uncommon). Make sure you understand how long the agreement may tie up your precious time.


http://www.backstage.com/advice-for-actors/business-of-acting/the-top- 10-mistakes-actors-make-when-they-sign-a-contract/

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The Wraith are basically space vampires.

When the door goes down blow the bulbs.

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a sin that this was cancelled to make way for the terminally tedious SGU.....big mistake.

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