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'The Most Boring, Tedious, Solemn, Self-Important Film Ever Made'


That's what this movie should have been called. 'Nuf said.

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I guess I suck, too, because I agree. I am a huge Matt Damon fanI have been since the talented Mr Ripley-and thought he could *beep* on the floor and be good, but this is boring. It isn't that it is a terrible movie, it is just too long, and too boring. I had very high expectations, though, so maybe I am just feeling let down.

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If you don't have any interest in the secret history of the USA or the prophetic words of Eisenhower regarding the military-industrial complex, then it would be boring. It's only of interest to people who want to know how we got into the horrible mess we are in. Most people don't have a clue about real history since they only listen to the mainstream media.



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Real history is learned by reading real history books or by watching documentaries, not by watching this kind of movies. It's sad that you think you are watching real history when you see films.

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Are you seriously that dumb to go and criticise someone by contradicting yourself completely?

Seriosuly, try again... you merely told us you don't know what you're doing when you're using a keyboard.
Besides making fun of yourself.

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It was fiction and still boring


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Thank you! I'm 19 minutes in, and I'm like OMG THIS IS DULL!!! Based on your review, I will simply hit delete on the last 161 minutes!

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Its funny on IMDB that when a movie gets labelled by the reviewing public as "high brow" or "intelligent" its very difficult to criticize it without coming across as a two-bit, pre-pubescent hack whose taste veers toward Mission Impossible 3. Alas, I agree with the OP, I think I know a good movie when I see one, and this wasnt good. Would be decent as a 4 night "event" on the history channel, but as a 180+ minute movie, yawn. Check out my review of it on the first page of reviews.

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I wanted so much to like this movie. Every scene echoes with such overblown significance that I felt the ones that should stand out became lost amongst...well, everything else. Too bad.

And there needed to be more Joe Pesci!

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AGREED! Pesci gave the only memorable performance. The inception of the CIA, this movie could have been so cool!!! But the way De Niro told this story was brutal.....yawn!

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Angelina Jolie was very good in this film, according to the type of film de Niro was after. Damon's Character was silent and stonefaced throughout. Jolie's charachter had to be extremely restrained, which she did well. In some respects it reminds me of the old silent films.

Why do I think Jolie was good in this film? she has a very interesting and expressive face. There was a lot of "face acting" in this movie. Would her character have any depth at all if it was played by an actress who could not pull that off?

The movie was thought provoking, but not all that entertaining. While the original poster is a bit extreme, this is not (as one reviewer said) the greatest spy movie of all time. It may be a lot more realistic than Damon as Jason Bourne, but no question which is a better movie, entertainment and story wise.

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So, what u tryin' to say that movie is stupid because it is long?
I can't agree with that. You can say that movie is a bit slow (& i think it isn't), but not that it is boring.
The story is good, Damon is good, his son is good, only Angelina don't fit the role.

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You're only saying that because you're a two-bit, pre-pubescent hack whose taste veers toward Mission Impossible 3.

You may not realize that practically everything in this movie actually happened in some form. The events have been fictionalized, but are not fictitious. This film centers around the event that made the CIA a household name: the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion. Prior to this, the general public knew even less about the CIA than people know today about the NSA. After it, the CIA captured the public imagination as the source of all corruption, evil, and insanity in the United States.

The only especially glaring BS element to the film is the reason the movie provides for the failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion, which is very kid-glovish and almost apologetic. The film implies that everything was squared away until a stupid kid blabbed the Where and When (why did he even know these?) in a sexual stupor in the Belgian Congo. In reality, the invasion failed for a million reasons, which can be summed up most succinctly as "Uber Epic Fail on the part of everyone involved at every level going all the way back to the planning stage." The fact that the Where and When HAD indeed been leaked was almost irrelevant.

This is as close to an honest mainstream biography of the CIA as will ever probably exist. If the names were changed back to the real names, the cast list would be:

Matt Damon ... Jim Angleton
Alec Baldwin ... Sam Papich
Billy Crudup ... Kim Philby
Robert De Niro ... Wild Bill Donovan
William Hurt ... Allen Dulles
Mark Ivanir ... Yuri Nosenko (except Nosenko was a plant in reality)
Lee Pace ... Richard Helms
Joe Pesci ... Sam Giancana
John Sessions ... Anatoly Golitsin (except Golitsin wasn't a plant in reality)
Oleg Shtefanko ... Alexander Shelepin (sort of...)
John Turturro ... Ray Rocca
Marcos Cohen ... Jacobo Arbenz Guzman

Interestingly, the CIA has commented on this movie, and one of the more hilarious things they say is that "The interrogation of Mironov, with its use of violence and drugs, bears no resemblance to Nosenko's actual treatment."

In actual fact, it very closely parallels his actual treatment, except that he didn't die... he only almost died. While on LSD. After having been brutally beaten, among other things.

This is a brilliant movie, if you actually know the background.

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just because an ambitious film manages to pack in a multitude of commentary or references to real life incidents does NOT instantly make it brilliant. many hollywood projects have attempted historicals and very seldom do they get the mix right between historicity, narrative, and entertainment value.

some of the questions i would pose after watching this film:

1. what is the main narrative here? is it Edward Wilson's life? the birth of the CIA? Mother vs Ulysses? counter-intelligence paranoia? or perhaps too much of all the above?

2. why the non-linear chronology? was there a purpose to the jarring timeline jumps other than to seem "modern" or to confuse the average movie-goer?

3. was the ensemble cast well-used? amid all the devastatingly monochromatic spook-type characters, how many were decently developed, apart from Ed Sr? in three hours... were the women and their suffering portrayed effectively to draw the audience?

4. what is the intended impact on the audience as the film ends? we see a barely emotional man (perhaps more accurately, emotionally neutered) with his family torn apart, but himself walking quietly, unassumingly, almost confidently, into his new CIA office... do we admire his stoicism? do we ponder the cost of patriotism in the guise of covert ops? do we lament his life?

or do we even have energy left to consider any of the above... after 3 hours of staring at stone-faced spooks, all the while trying to piece together the scattered timeline?

'Boring, Tedious, Solemn, Self-Important' is actually quite a fair comment from the average tortured movie-goer. unless you're a hardcore Tom Clancy fan or (god-forbid) someone from the intelligence community... then perhaps it'd ring many bells for you.

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I agree with the starter of this topic. This movie tried to make Matt Damon look like some sort of genius with his lack of dialogue. They tried to portray it as if his silence showed off his calous nature and high intelligence.

I however saw this as the director and writer's inability to make a scene that shows us compelling drama. This is why the movie drags on because most scenes in the movie are just devoid of any real content. Things happen but either they are unimportant, badly acted, or just we don't care about what happens to the characters.

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The character is based on a real guy, who by all accounts was a quiet, private, callous man. They weren't trying to do anything other then portray him as he really was

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I trust that you are not excusing this excrutiating dull, poorly written, and awfully edited movie due to the fact that the man upon which the script is derived was quiet and callous. You can have quiet and callous characters and still make a quality movie. They failed to that here. IMO

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I couldn't stay awake during this movie, I tried more than once.

BORING.

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I agree. In "Three Days of the Condor", the character played by Max von Sydow was quiet and callous and I thought he did a brilliant job of acting. I could probably come up with a more recent example, it is just that I re-watched this film the other night and was struck again by how good it is.

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I agree with this point by ddrhazy, and the topic starter who ironically could have said more.......

Im normally a fan of Matt Damon, but his acting in this film is non existant, good actors can say still say things even when they are not speaking. I kept on thinking I was on Salisbury Plain's during my viewing of this film, it really was a lithomantic experience.

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"The continuing sense of sadness throughout the film just carries me through every time..."

The last thing I want to do is pay money to feel sad for 3 hours. Are you kidding me, man? I been watching the movie for about 15 minutes, they just started with Skull and Bones. Instead of watching that, I was motivated to come here to find out if it was gonna be as boring as it seems.

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Awesome! Someone else who has seen every movie ever made! You must have a lot of time on your hands or be 100 years old to have accomplished that feat.
KS

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I agree. This movie was dull and the lack of dialog was awful. I tried to watch it the 1st time and then I turned off the TV. I was so bored with the long scenes... and then I thought I was just tired. I went to bed and a few days later I tried to watch it again... after an hour I wanted to turn off the TV again! But I fought this feeling and finally got through - wishing I had turned the TV off!

So I thought about it. the story could have been great... I mean it has good actors, but Matt Damon as a spy? Come on. He looks too... I don't know. It is just very alien like. I felt alienated. The character is just dull and you cannot identify with it. It just does not grow in any way.

I wish the movie was shorter and I wish it would have some clear statement... but it's just a dull story about a dull guy... and as a viewer I couldn't care less about the rest of the story if the character does not function as a human being. He doesn't say anything. It's like a fish. You can fry it... and the result is the same - a mute one.

The lack of expression of his internal conflicts makes the main character an alien. If he doesn't communicate nothing... then... how the hell can I know what his true nature is? I cannot. So this it painful to watch.

If it is a story about a real person... so what? It doesn't justify anything. If the guy was boring and quite... and if Matt Damon portrayed him just as he was... then the movie should not be made. Because its just a bad character and that's it.

When I saw A. Tarkovski "STALKER" for the first time... I mean - it had the same approach to silence, but when you get to the end of it - it is worth it. Because the guide, the one who leads people into The Zone, has some sort of human reaction to the adversity of the trip.

The Good Sheppard... gives to the viewer nothing about the genius spy. Was that the intention? Perhaps. But that's not a reason to make a movie.

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Well said.

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Damn. I just rented it, too. oh well, my back up DVD is Truman Show (rewatch, havent seen it in years)

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Ever??!! Seems few people know what the word even means nowadays. It's downright laughable how often this word appears on IMDB. How about using an exclamation mark instead.

This wasn't a great film but I found it interesting and compelling. And it was nice to see a more 'mature' film that didn't cave into sensationalism. I know many complain about it being slow and Damon's character being lifeless but intelligence agencies and espionage aren't exactly like 007. I imagine a lot of people doing this kind of work are quiet and assuming. They don't want to get noticed.

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I liked this movie. it's underrated.

No country for old men on the other hand is the 'The Most Boring, Tedious, Solemn, Self-Important Film Ever Made'.

cheers

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I agree with you about "No Country for Old Men" -- couldn't stand it.

The Good Shepherd leaves me deeply ambivalent. It was the shortest 3-hour movie I've ever watched (which speaks to the quality of the story and filmmaking), but on reflection, the tone leaves me with a sick feeling in my stomach. But perhaps a so-called "Hollywood" ending would have rung hollow.

My $.02.

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Oh My Lord, you are wrong Major.

Give me a reason why I should like Matt Damon's character at all and I may consider liking this film. But no I don't think you can; so I feel the title of 'The Most Boring, Tedious, Solemn, Self-Important Film Ever Made' is pretty accurate.

"No Country For Old Men" was superb. Suspenseful and well acted.

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Matt Damon's character is closer to the real deal then I think anyone would care to admit... These men and women have to be more then squared away, they are dealing in lies, counter intelligence... Why should we like Edward Wilson, perhaps we shouldn't, perhaps the motive for Robert D. to make the film was to open a door that has been glossed over. "CIA" has been a explosion, spy, etc filled action packed type genre for the longest. This character isn't Jack Ryan, or even Bourne, this is a quiet true to life representation of spook work. You should like it souly for the realism, or at least what appears real. It all could be bull.

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This is a very good movie, but its understandable for all the criticism it gets. People who wish to watch a pacy, clever and action packed spy movie will be disappointed. Its a little slow,but we start to get involved as the film moves on.Rob De Niro has done a great job here and is well complemented by Damon.People ought to know what a movie offers before they watch it. Fincher's Zodiac is slow paced too (unlike other films of the genre) but its brilliant film making to say the least. People who watch Zodiac expecting to get something like "Silence of the lambs" , sure will be heart broken . Thats pretty much the case here with The Good Shepherd .

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If you didn't like this movie then you probably didn't like Rubicon the short lived series on AMC about spies pretty much. Although I liked Rubicon much more than this movie.

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The story leaves you with a sick feeling in your stomach? Good. You got the message.

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And here I was thinking I was the only person to find it long and boring. I actually fell asleep halfway through and had to finish it the next day.

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In many ways this is a sad movie. A man's devotion to duty duty duty. As a young man he walked like an old man with the weight of the world. And in many ways this was true. Young men of that time who were involved in the war had to skip the time of their lives where fun was typical. They went from being kids to being responsible for their country's wellbeing. That is a serious and heavy load to carry. The only joy he has in his entire life... I mean laughing and pure joy was with Laura and that is taken away for duty. And one night with her and he was slammed by the photos and disruption to his family. So because of duty and a family history which I think he always felt he was trying to redeem, he had to live above reproach. He was always under someone's microscope. It also gives an idea where the original people in these agencies come from. As long as you dont expect a high speed action movie, I think it was worth the price of admission except that I live too far away from any movie theater to see it or any movie on a big screen. I first saw it on Cable. But I will say that I have watched it a number of times.

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I agree. I love Matt Damon, I love Angelina, I love DeNiro, I loved everything I heard about this movie...until I saw it. I realize that this movie was supposed to be an accurate portrayl of whatever it was supposed to portray. I know this movie isn't supposed to be Michael Bay explosions, John Woo shoot-outs, and Christopher Nolan action sequences.. but holy shiz was this the most mind-numbingly boring film I've ever seen. And to all those "intellectual" film watchers, you can kiss off because if you can sit and defend this film that it's supposed to be really good, well that's unfortunate. I can't listen to an entire cast talk in the same tone of voice for almost 2 and a half hours. I can honestly see the brilliance in it and why some people like it, but in no way, shape, or form was this for me at all. So don't go insulting my IQ or whatever you "intellectual" film watchers do because I enjoy my fair share of films without shoot outs and explosions so I do know what a good film is. This just wasn't my style. I was NOT entertained.

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The title of his thread is....silly and immature. If you think the movie was boring,etc. then it is probably just that you don't...get it.

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it is a spy movie, it is supposed to be 'overly complex'. and the plot has been accurately described on this board, several times.

why do you think it was badly scripted and directed? the direction was excellent, i can site many reasons why. why do you think it is bad? as for the script, what are the issues you have with it? it was dramatic and effective, using only important lines and only giving information important to the film as a whole

it isn't about 'getting' the movie, it is about paying attention to it and understanding what is going on. if you don't want to, why? saying it is boring without a reason beyond 'i can't pay attention to it because i lack an attention span past 5 minutes' is ludicrous, and i have yet to see an actual argument as to why this film 'sucks' or is 'self-important'.

and even angelina jolie was fine in this movie, go watch Gia, another movie she wasn't 'Angelina' in, if you know what i'm talking about. the movies she tends to be crappy in are usually pretty crappy anyway

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Very revealling that americans being told about how they have been acting during the 20th century find it dull and can't get it.

Of course you can't get it, you are the same guys that elected Bush jr. and Bush sr to the White House.

If the movie had a lot of explosions and noise you would be entretained. It failed to entretain and was about exposing how everything you have been taking as granted is a buch of lies, and the flag wavering idiots of course find no meaning, and dull. Why? why doeas the world hate US so much ? Because you are a bunch of useful morons, that«s why.

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