Does Snuff Exist?

It's an interesting question. You're right when it comes to convicted serial criminals, with the M Lady tapes by Leonard Lake and Charles Ng and "3 Guys 1 Hammer" by the Dnepropetrov Maniacs now living in infamy, and Mark L. Rosen mentions in Snuff: A Documentary About Killing on Camera that people tried to sell him what he described as a snuff film.

The idea of it existing isn't alien to me nor does it frighten me. I believe it was John Alan Schwartz/Conan Le Cilaire (the director of the Faces of Death movies) said it best "if people are willing to pay for it, snuff will exist" (not quoting verbatim). The documentaries "Does Snuff Exist?" (The Dark Side of Porn) and Snuff: A Documentary About Killing on Camera go into some more detail about things. While the latter isn't very good, it mentions a story in Russia about a child pornography ring and a wire tap call. The former mentions the Moors Murders and how they audio taped their killings.

Do I think it exists? It's plausible. However, by the FBI definition, we just haven't found it yet.

"I'll go,because I am Cinema!" - Ben (Man Bites Dog)

Luka Magnotta made one and uploaded it to a shock website.
he didn't make it for profit though. well as far as anyone knows....

It does exist, but in very limited categories:

1.- Filmed for personal pleasure.
- All the serial killer's home movies count here.

2.- Surveillance video that caught a violent death on film.
- Also all over.

3.- Filmed to be SOLD, a.k.a. for profit (not a pervert home movie)
- On request, for a particular person: a.k.a. what we saw in the film. This can be real, but too risky in first world countries. Most of it will likely be fake. This is the most likely scenario in first world countries where criminal gangs don't have too much impunity nor clout and thus risk too much doing real snuff. Why make it for real when you can fake it and get good results (cannibal holocaust). Like fake child porn, since people didn't really get harmed/abused, it's kosher.
- For mass distribution: like the Russian guy they keep referring to here in the threads. You can only really get away with this in craphole countries like Russia where criminal organizations rule. Why do you think most child porn comes from places like that?

So yeah it does exist, but mostly in crappy countries. It's just too risky and fake snuff can look just as real.

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Of course snuff films exist, snuff films have been made in every country especially in less developed countries such as Russia Ukraine Brazil Mexico Colombia Venezuela Thailand and The Philippines, lots of snuff films have come from those countries.

you can probably find snuff on Mariana's Web.. if you're so inclined

while you're there, see what you can track down on the location of Atlantis.. thanks

In the documentary SNUFF it was argued that Michael Moore's BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE is the closest thing to a snuff film because by definition snuff films are made with the intention of SELLING, and that's technically the only known case where a video of actual killings (Columbine) has been sold for money. Although FACES OF DEATH would count as well, I guess.
I don't mean to impose, but I am the Ocean.

Watching NEWS is snuff, people cheer around the world when they drop bombs on each other!