Does Snuff Exist?

You make an interesting point, and I'm not attacking you, but I don't think this is a very strong argument. If profit is the key element that is required it would be a simple matter to repackage rape / torture / molestation media that ends in death and sell it, transforming it into a snuff product. We've been taking pictures of sexual assaults and disgusting scenes pretty much since the camera was invented; the Japanese took plenty enough of those during their rampage in China in the late 1930s, some of which I would absolutely consider snuff.

I think it's pretty obvious that there isn't some massive underground conspiracy to create snuff for profit... That's true enough. No more than there is some vast underground conspiracy of satanic child molesters that buy and sell kids like we used to believe in the 80s. But the motives of the producer and the money made (or not) doesn't actually change what is depicted in the pictures or on the films, so it becomes a completely semantic argument.

I have a nursing text around here somewhere that has a picture of a dead infant that was sexually abused. If that same picture out of context was mixed in with child porn, the feds would happily consider it a criminal violation, just like they do with nudist videos and the like out of context. If it was repackaged and sold as part of some kind of snuff compilation for money, by the same logic it would be "snuff porn." Both approaches seem to be silly, since the picture and its contents don't change, only the context is changed.

Drug cartels live stream murders. Isis show videos too.

If you can think it, somebody else is thinking about doing it.

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I agree with the urban legend part, an important part of proving something to be true is hard evidence isn't it? Its not enough to sat it must, likely, does exist etc. If evidence arises it will be a different story, right now it's just a lot of speculation and hearsay, with conspiracy theories thrown in to the mix.

Also the definition is important, most dictionaries and this from wikipedia assert that "A snuff film or snuff movie is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual death or murder of a person or people, without the aid of special effects, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation. Though many films featuring real deaths exist, such for-profit films are generally regarded as an urban legend."

So the bottom line is where's the evidence?

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There are video's of adults raping 6 month old children, why not video's of people killing people? You have people having sex with horse, dogs, chickens, children, cuttin, men castrating themselves, eating *beep* extreme SM, but video's of people getting murdered do not exist? They fact that no victims have been found says nothing, if you have a contact who owns a crematorium, you cremate the body, dump the ashes in the ocean, no evidence. I believe that's how Nathalee Holloway was murdered by Joran. Wake up to the real world, if you have enough money or know the right contacts, you can get away with anything, including murder.

If your good at anticipating the human mind, it leaves nothing to chance!

It is nothing more than an urban legend.

For the conspiracy theorists who will respond by saying that people get away with it by having either money or power, remember that Al Capone died in jail and Pablo Escobar was gunned down by police on a rooftop.

You might be right, but your analogy to Al Capone and Pablo Escobar doesn't bolster your hypothesis much, because:

Both of those guys murdered people left and right to further their criminal enterprise, and with impunity each for a long long time before their ultimate capture/demise.

I don't think the threat of being captured prevented either one of those guys from executing all manner of depravity, whatever they wanted or could think of, on enemies and friends alike.

Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?

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I too believe they are urban legend, even though I have heard from others they knew of someone that actually saw a snuff film????
But I read of a russian criminal that provided videos of murders of children, I believe the man's name is Dmitri and a documentary called "Snuff" was released some time ago, I wanna see it if I can find it, the documentary that is

In fact, if you think about all the horrid things men have done, it's done right idiotic to believe no one ever hired people to do a murder film.

You can find a film made by ukranian serial killers right now, if you use google. I wouldn't recommend it though, it's quite disturbing.

There was a CP website that was closed down a few years ago that offered an option to produce real death videos. If you search around some news archives you'll find something about it. Also a russian man was arrested for producing CP in which a child died during the abuse. A man in America was arrested for having ordered it. It seems a case of supply and demand. Terrible.

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Ernst Dieter Korzen and Stefan Michael Mahn were convicted of making a snuff film in Germany in 1999.

TWO GERMANS have been jailed for life after becoming the first people in Europe to be convicted of murder while producing a ``snuff movie,'' a film in which real victims are tortured and killed.

A court in the town of Hagan heard how Ernst Dieter Korzen (37), and Stefan Michael Mahn (30), filmed themselves sexually assaulting and torturing a 21-year-old woman in 1997 to produce the snuff movie which they expected to sell for more than £10,000.

The victim died before the production was complete and the pair kidnapped a second woman to finish the video. But she escaped and the men were arrested.

The body of the first victim was found in a heap of rubbish at the farm of one of the men. Her hands and feet were tied with metal banding tape that had cut deeply into her skin.

Forensic experts said the cause of death was strangulation.

Wolfgang Rahmer, the chief prosecutor, told the court: ``From my experience this represents a new depth in perversion. You see the victim begging for her life, pain being inflicted and massive sexual torture.''

The court heard that the murdered woman, Jueleyha Akpinar, was working as a prostitute in Cologne when she met the two men in November. They offered her drugs and money to go with them to the remote bungalow.

A lack of direct evidence had previously led to widespread scepticism over the existence of a snuff movie industry, with many dismissing it as an ``urban myth''. But Herr Rahmer said he had no doubt such an industry existed.

Both men were jailed for life in a secure psychiatric institution. Judge Hoerst Werner Herkenberg said Korzen should not expect his case to be re-examined for at least 18 years, and that Mahn would have to wait at least 15.

The German city of Frankfurt is a major centre for pornography in Europe. The city's Prosecutor, Job Tilmann, said there was a ready market for videos depicting violence and the death of women and children and they would fetch up to £10,000 in America.

He said: ``The need for more perverse stimulation is growing. People soon get bored, and then the perversion escalates. I think that there is no limit to the cruel fantasies that can be shown on video.''

According to Andre Rogge, a private detective in Belgium, the cruel fantasies of such movie makers even extend to children. Rogge specialises in seeking missing children and fears many are victims of the snuff movie industry.

He said the German case was not isolated, but involved an international network.

``I know this is a thriving market. I was offered a video cassette a few years ago for over £10,000. I did not buy this one, but I bought others and gave them to the Belgian police.

``On these videos you see torture and violence against children of less than four years. But the police have not been able to identify any of the victims to this day.''