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Why were the muses black?


Is it because of the stereotype that blacks are naturally good at singing? That they are the only ones who can possess "soul"? Because the ancient Grecians were white.

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...because they can? Who seriously gives a crap? I'm so sick of people finding racism in the simplest things. Hence the word FIND, it's often not there, but people CHOOSE to take offense and make it something it's not.

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When I saw this movie, I heard from somewhere that the Muses were a reference to The Supremes.

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I never thought of them as black either.

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If they weren't black we wouldn't get those awesome Gospel songs!

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Greece is pretty darn close to Africa. Having black Grecians isn't too far of a stretch.

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As long as they were taking so many liberties with the original myth, I found it quite refreshing that they chose to have a black gospel choir. Characters that aren't stereotypes or stupid comic relief, but strong, beautiful women that guided the narrative. What's so horrible about that? I don't understand how racism was ever even brought up.

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The cartoon industry has had an atrocious history of depicting Black people as "darkies" and little else. People today still mention that in these more race conscious times there just ain't no properly represented Black characters in animation.

So, in effort to right past wrongs and to add more positive imagry, Disney gives us...the Muses.

...but they STILL got it wrong.

They were shown as wild-eyed, over-enthusiastic Tina Turner screamers and a fat deep-voiced uh-huh'ing Sapphire...its as though these are the ONLY types of Black females the writers/artists are aware of. Being Black means you're a pouty, hoity, preening, control-the-moment dancer/singer who get so worked up as you go along that you progress from quiet harmony to maniac screeching.

In short, they're not that much different from the crows in Dumbo.

It's important to mention there are improvments in recent years. Cobra Bubbles in Lilo and Stitch is arguably a well rounded Black character and Dr. Sweet from Atlantis is both the most professional member of the group and the moral compass for the other characters.

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Ancient Greeks were dark skinned, or at least tanned skinned. Forget TROY with Brad Pitt and Diane Kruger, that's nonsense.

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Why does it matter if the muses were black they made amazing songs and that person was right if they're weren't black we wouldn't of had gospel like songs...which were amazing! :)

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Ancient Greeks, just like modern-day Greeks, varied in skin, hair, and eye color depending on which region of Greece they were from. It is quite natural to find light-haired, pale Greeks as it is to see darker-skinned, black-haired and dark-eyed Greeks.

Just like Italians: ranging from dark in the south to the blond-haired, light-eyed Italians of the north.

It's just that stereotypically Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Portuguese, etc are portrayed as darker and the Germanic and Nordic peoples as blonde, but there can be all types of variations in any country.

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Haha, my sister asked m the same thing!

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I think they were making a reference to Diana Ross and The Supremes. That's just my theory...


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well Andromedea was an Ehtiopian princess who's mother nearly got her eaten by a sea monter for braging that she was more beuatiful than the nereids. So I don't think the Greeks cared too much about color.

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Why does it matter? The muses were black get over it. They did a good damn job anyway. So don't bring a stupid topic like this.

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