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This movie is way too over rated


This movie was extremely boring, and I wanted to kill Jon Favreau character. I hate how he just whine and bitch in the whole movie. Jon Favreau simply can't act, he only has one facial expression (looking sad, as if somthing is stuck up his a$$).

Since the movie main focus was that one lame character, everything else didn't really seem to matter. The co-stars wasn't anything great, and nothing seems to stand out besides the constant whinning of that one character. Vince Vaugn in the other hand was alright, but he was not on screen long enough to save this mountain high pile of sh!t that goes by the name "Swingers".

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You obviously didn't get this movie. It is my favorite movie of all time - the most clever dialogue for this genre. Try watching it again without focusing so much on Favreau. Everyone has either been that person or had that friend who just couldn't get over a breakup. We've all been there. It's FUNNY.

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I know this movie is about how certain people deal with break up, but Favreau ruined it for me. How can you not focus on Favreau!?! He's on screen 95% of the time. Maybe if Favreau wasn't the lead actor, just maybe this movie will be just alright.

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Hey R-Macken. This is one of my favorite movies of all time, but the first time I saw it, I was lukewarm on it. After watching it again, and really paying attention to the clever dialogue. Give it another shot, and maybe you will like it more. JF is not the world's best actor, I will give you that. VV is awesome as Trent, and they whole group is simply fun, guys you would like to hang out with. If you have a free night, give it another shot.

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his character's supposed to be a whiney b tch, that's the point of the movie, cuz everyone has at least one friend, if not more, where after a long relationship they break up and they're just a whiney b tch, that's all there is to it, notice how he is at the end of the movie, after dancing with heather graham, he has his groove back, he's confident, he doesn't whine again the rest of the movie, walkin her out to the car, the meal with trent and sue, the next day on the phone wtih his ex he's not whining at her, he rips her a new one, he's over her and confident on the phone with ol' heather, then again with trent, he's cool, calm, and collected, every time my friends and i watch this movie we catch a new line or see a new wrinkle and it's better and better each time

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I think this movie is something that you can't appreciate unless you can really relate to it.

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I think it's really interesting that people complain about the bitchiness and whininess of Jon Favreau's character in Swingers.. Mainly because Im 100% sure that was Jon's intention in writing/starring in the film. You're not supposed to like him very much. You are expected to take the side and viewpoint of his close friends, trying to get his ass in gear. There is even a scene (which people tend to dismiss as just comical dialogue) in which Trent (Vaughn) is telling Mike that he doesnt want him to be like the guy in the PG-13 movie that everyone is really hoping makes it happen, he says he wants him to be like the guy in the R-rated movie, that you're not sure if you like yet, and you're not sure where he's coming from... which is EXACTLY what the viewer is feeling towards Mike at that point. Quite brilliant.

Plus.. throughout the movie, we are hoping that Mike will come around and stop being such a loser, and be more like Trent and Sue.. and have a great time. But, by the end of the movie, the idea of being a swinger (or player) is seen for what it really is. The final scene in which mike and Trent are at the diner, and Trent thinks he knows some girl across the way who is apparently batting eyes with him, turns out to only be looking at her baby across the table.. and Trent suffers a huge embarassment. The movie ends with a satisfied look on Mike's face.. finally being content with himself, and glad not to be what his friends wanted him to be. It's very well written. If someone told you it was "the greatest movie ever" and you dont agree... dont hang out on its IMDB page.. Goon.

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Hating Swingers because Mikey is whiny is like hating Star Wars because Darth Vader is mean. That is the point of the character.

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of course, darth vader only occupies about 5% of the screen time, and isn't the main character of the film. i see your point, but your analogy is terrible.

-mice

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It was just a joke, man.....

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heh, that's how I took it.

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Swingers is one of my favorite all-time movies. Mikey is supposed to be a uncomfortable, awkward, and self-pitying guy (or whiny bitch if you prefer). I thought he actually played the role pretty well. But he is not what makes the movie great. What makes the movie great is the writing and Mikey's friends. Trent is one of my all-time favorite characters. And Sue and Ron Livingston's character are also genius. There are more great one-lines and conversations in that movie than almost any other. To say that this movie is overrated because Mikey's character can be obnoxious makes you look like an ignorant ass who simply watches a movie to see a Clint Eastwood (who is the man) type of character. If you ever watch the movie again, try to pay a little more attention to the actual movie instead of how much Mikey whines.

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Uhm, ehr? Are you sure you're responding to the right poster? I didn't care for the film, but I never said it was badly written or that I didn't like it solely because Mike was self-pitying. I thought it was okay -- I doubt I'd agree that anything about it was 'genius', but it certainly did have its moments. I probably won't ever willingly watch it again without the fast foward button handy. *shrug*

It's just a movie, dude -- there's no reason to take criticism of the movie so personally.

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well, yeah -- I think Mike is supposed to be the character most of the guys watching the film empathize with, having felt and/or acted the way he does at some time in their lives. For me, that's what made it so uncomfortable -- you watch this guy's mistakes and behaviors, perhaps even recognizing some of them from first-hand experience. You know what's going to happen, especially with his self-defeating, low self-image issues. The scene with the phone call strikes me as an apocryphal exteme, but is nonetheless effective conveying his involuted self-destructive lack of confidence.

All that said, I didn't particularly enjoy squirming through the really painful scenes as he's dragged along with his confident and much more shallow friend. I don't think it was badly written, and it does capture some things quite well; but I have a hard time seeing its brilliance or genius. People seem to have a tendency to label anything they like as 'brilliant', without any substantive argument why aside from "I like it, dammit!".

My 2c.

By the way, you might want to rethink your "if you don't agree, go away" mentality. Sometimes it's possible to discuss a film quite productively between people with different points of view. I often enjoy taking apart films whether I hate them, love them, or have no real opinion about them just to see if I can figure out the how's and why's of the film's creation, or to better understand a character's motivations, etc. I know I'm not the only one that feels this way; life is boring when you live in an echo-chamber.

You do make some really interesting points, btw -- I think your observation about how the audience isn't supposed to like Mike very much is bang on. The character may be whiny, but that's by design, not poor acting/screenwriting.

-mice

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Love this movie and definitely in my top 10.

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I feel that this movie is far from terrible, this movie tries to immitate life and even if you haven't been in a relationship that has broken up like jon favreau's character most people have friends that have been through relationships like that.

I like how most casual movie watcher's watch this movie and feel that vince vaughn was the best part and then criticize other parts of the movie. For me i like how the opening scene tells you what is going to happen in the movie, i like how humans are always moody and sad at times after break ups but as soon as a new girl walks into your life your pretty much over the old girl, and i also like how in the end when john favreau's character finally figures out ("Hit me like a ton of bricks") some lessen in life about relationships, he immediately gets interrupted by Vince Vaughn's character.

Anyways i think you should watch it again, but i would say that i noticed all this stuff the first time i watched it, maybe this type of movie is not for you. you can watch anchorman or wedding crashers.

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Swingers is better than all her movies combined. Even though I love Casablanca. SWINGERS RULES, and all haters are douches.

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Swingers is better than all her movies combined. Even though I love Casablanca. SWINGERS RULES, and all haters are douches.


I can't tell if you're joking or not. I hope you are.

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You are absoutly right allenchampagne, the character was annoying due to bad acting

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by - R_MACKEN on Tue Feb 14 2006 16:35:44
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You are absoutly right allenchampagne, the character was annoying due to bad acting



your face was annoying due to bad acne




OOOH BURRRN

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This movie is one of my top 5 movies, i love this movie, I watched it everyday, The video game scene is the best, Vince Vaugne kicks A$$, all of these haters can go to hell.


Yeah, he's a professor... of being a dog!! Oooh, faced!!

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I like how people make asses of themselves by claiming a movie sucked when they clearly missed the point entirely.

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This movie is money and you don't even know it.

(had to be said)

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Best post here, lol



i sleep now

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A year in a half later, this post deserves major props. Well done.

Formerly known as LOTRfreak06

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I think he must be very young also, just like you have to reach
a certain maturity to appreciate Seinfeld. If you aren't there
yet it will seem stupid to you. My advice would be for
whover doesn't like Swingers to go rent XXX2, that may be
more satisfying, Ice Cube, genious actor....

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I didnt read previous posts , Im sure im not the only one that will say that....
If your merried , ya, than this movie isnt for you. If you got no life, than ya, this movie aint for you. Im not sure how its possible not to love this movie. Its a great written/acted movie. Very fun to watch, not by yourself, as you probably have .
good day sir..
I said GOOD DAY!!

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one of the finest comedies of the last twenty years:a great screenplay made it..if you aint getting it,your loss

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Interesting point of view and of course everyone is welcome to their own opinions but then again as Dirty Harry said "opinions are like *beep* everybody has one!".

Swingers owns.

Remember kids always double down on 11

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What language did you watch it in R MACKEN? In your native language the jokes might not have translated well, and if you watched it in english you might not have understood some of the more subtle double meanings.

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(possible spoilers)
Don't be a Swinger-Hater. I gave it a nine, not sure why I didn't give it a ten. Although perhaps some scenes are so embarrassing that I had to FF. That's pretty raw. And for Favreau to put himself out there like that so early on in his career speaks volumes. I think he's a genius writer. Rating the movie based solely on its merits? Extremely well cast. I couldn't imagine a better fit for Mikey than Favreau. Vaughn was probably better suited for his role in this movie than any other he has been in. Even a tiny part for Ron Livingston and his sarcasm added volumes to the movie. Killer sound track, with the Big Bad Voodoo Daddies. The whole tie-in with the ridiculousness of the L.A. club scene in the mid-90's was genius. I mean, it could have been a movie about 20-something relationship angst set in the rural mid-west, but Favreau used the environment around him to make a much more interesting movie, and I think much more amusing, as well. I'm not a deep thinker, a movie doesn't have to have a lot of depth for me to enjoy it, but I recognize when one does. This movie has layers of depth, just like onions and ogres, layers. To bash it because the main character is a whiney little biatch, which he is, is stopping at the first layer. Plus, I'm sure Favreau suffered through the whiney character because the big payout (Vegas, baby!) in the end, was that he found a girl who he liked and who voiced the same insecurities that he felt. So, after having been on the brink of caving in to his buddies, and becoming a shallow womanizing biatch, instead of a whining biatch, he finally realized that he was just fine the way he was. And guess what. The whining stopped. Layers, baby!

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I personally loved the movie and I wanted to give it a ten, but there was one part that bothered me about it and knocked down my rating. I had kind of hoped that Favreau's character would have met a girl a little differently. I didn't like how he just happened to meet a girl who had been in a similar situation and felt the same way he did right at his most shallow point. It was too coincidental and Hollywoodish. Took away from the realism in my opinion. Anyway, that's my only problem. I am sure that anyone can relate to this film. That's what makes it so good. Yeah it's funny, but it hits home for everyone somehow...oh wait, no, the few people who didn't like it here on this board, they missed it. And they apparently don't get out much. I gave it an 8. Great movie.



"They put a gun in your face, you still have a choice." -Jack Foley

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English, jordan-duncan. I did get the jokes, which are sorta of funny, but nothing memorable.

Like I said before, the main character (who can't act) was on film 99% of the time. Hence with the horrible acting of Jon Favere (Whatever his last name is), the movie is ruined.

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You actually said 95% of the time, his acting can't be worse than your english skills.

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Did I really? woops

95%, 99%, or with my bad english the movie is still over rated.
It's just an opinion.

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Jon Favere is not in this movie and your overrated

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It's not what you do, it's how you do it.

Remember kids always double down on 11

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