Japan fighter souldn't have been a sumo fighter, but a practioner of ninjitsu. A practioner of this style would have killed every fighter there, including John claude's charater. The only possible reason why this kind of fighter wasn't chosen is 1. The director never heard of it. 2. The director felt that it would be introducing a too powerful of a fighter or because of the well known fact that practioners of ninjitsu don't like to participate in any kind of tornameant, unless chalanged. It would have benn right thou to have a practioner of ninjitsu as it's japan greatest martial art; and it would have been just amazing to to see a ninja going for peoples presure points, knocking them out this way, maybe even seeing the dim muak,of course the fights would be very short, no flashly moves. Here's some videos of ninjitsu. I didn't post these video's so you know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMOTWHnd9X0&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssd7NxaQHZQ&feature=related
Being that Jean Claude Van Damme WAS the director in this movie, also. being an avid practitioner of martial arts, he DOES know of Ninjitsu. Just because he doesn't practice it doesn't mean he doesn't know of it. Keep in mind, this tournament takes place in the 1920's, and Japan's oldest sport is Sumo Wrestling. Ninjitsu or its variables were not yet techniques developed skillfully. In fact, Ninjitsu hadn't even been introduced by that name. All the disciplines at that time were not as modern and today's. And also Ninjitsu was developed by special clans throughout Japan, it was a discipline that was taught to those who belonged in those groups. Not that they did not like to participate but rather that it wasn't yet a mastered technique by the 20's
dude, OMG!!! I am a black belt in traditional okinawan Karate and I just started traditional ITF Tae Kwon Do and I know about martial arts. Ninjutsu has been around for hundreds of years, some say since the 13th century. And you come to this thread and say it wasn't around in the 1920's. No offense, are you 12 or something???
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The contest was nationalistic in nature, each country's pride was at stake. Note, for example, the Scotsman's kilt. So why not represent Japan with her national sport, as opposed to her outlaws?
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Karate or Judo are, I think, the most representative arts of Japan. You think China and Korea, you think Kung Fu and Tae Kwon Do. Most people equate Japan with Karate and Judo. Then you've got Sumo, Aikido and Kendo, and then you've got the lesser-known arts like Shorinji Kempo, Kenjutsu, Sojutsu, Ninpo, etc.
Actually Jiu-Jitsu is the most representative martial arts form for Japan. Judo and Karate came from Jiu_jitsu as did Ninjitsu The main reason why it is not in many movies like this, is because it is a dominating factor and hard to beat, very hard... Ninjitsu is a joke, that is mostly usefull on people that know little or no martial arts or a martial artist by surprise, it is highly overrated.
As having the honor of being 3 times black belt Jiu-Jitsu and black belt original karate (like yourself) i know a lot about Japanese martial arst form, this is why i made the comment to you.
People think of Jiu-Jitsu now (Jujutsu) because of the massive resurgence, due to the UFC and the Gracie family. But for when The Quest took place, Judo was definitely more popular, both in Japan and globally.
There are many factors that go into the decision-making process of a movie, and anyone who concludes that one particular type of martial arts was not chosen over Sumo would be making the actual "mistake." Does anyone believe that the ridiculous "Flamenco dancer" that represented Spain in THE QUEST was chosen because such an absurdity meant to depict a real fighter from Spain? Of course not. Similarly, what Scottish fighter would fight in a kilt? The reason why these decisions were made was to add national color, in an effort to make the film more interesting.
THE QUEST already had martial arts in the form of Cbina and Siam, if not a South American version with Brazil. To have the Japanese fighter engage in any of the various forms of martial arts Japan is famous for would have been redundant, regardless of how an expert in martial arts could passionately argue how different, say, Karate is from Judo. The reason why a Sumo wrestler was chosen was, besides the fact that Sumo happens to be intrinsically Japanese, because it was far more interesting to have a "lumbering giant" in the proceedings, to go up against other fighters with different bodily shapes, as well as the film's other "lumbering giant," the villainous Mongolian.
If you think about it, the art of Sumo is in a whole different league, where body mass plays a strong role, and the idea, after all, is wrestling. A wrestler would have no chance in a fighting contest as fantasized in THE QUEST, where anything goes. The idea in a film such as this has nothing to do with realism. .
A wrestler would have no chance in a fighting contest as fantasized in THE QUEST, where anything goes. The idea in a film such as this has nothing to do with realism.
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IMHO it is all about impressing the audience and being fresh. There has been countless Nija Movies, VanDamme himself plays a Ninjitsu in Bloodsport (I don't remember if it whas that movie or another but you get the point). A summo wrestler is something new and more impressive to the audience.
Chinese have many different and effective martial arts, but when it comes to movies producers and choreographers choose Wushu which is a performance sport and not a martial art. There where many different fighting styles from each country that they could have choose but they choose them based on how they looked and how they matched the other styles. Some examples:
Right spelling is juu-jutsu and juu-jitsu, to create that "ju" syllable is necessary 2 hiragana characters, "ji" and "yu" which make "jyu", the sound is "ju" and romanization is ju, too now the word juu, has an additional "U" character = juu-jitsu/jutsu.
As this is a movie, they tried to cause impact with their fighters representing every country with a specific cultural thing to make them different and special, as you can see in videos games.
Actually, my wife (Japanese, from Tokyo) assures me with anger every time she sees anything MMA that 'Ju-Jutsu' is actually the most accurate way to spell it.
Like you said, if you want to correct someone, make sure you get it right.
A wrestler would have no chance in a fighting contest as fantasized in THE QUEST, where anything goes. The idea in a film such as this has nothing to do with realism.
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Just saw that scene and had to come here to see if anyone commented on it. Also interesting Scotland competed independently as well (but that is not that weird).
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probably because okinawa doesnt want anything to do with japan. Okinawa is the origin of japanese martial arts, at least for anything related to Jiu-Jitsu. They have more in common with their chinese neighbours then japan, so they feel. great people actually
you are mistaken Ninjutsu isn't a real martial arts its a modern invention the ninja did exist but they didn't practice some super secret system of martial arts they practiced basic jui jitsu and aki jutsu like systems they also were former samurai and knew everything that a samurai would have known but what you see in movies as Ninjutsu is NOT a historical artform but a system of martial arts made up for tourists to learn the individuals claiming to be masters in an ancient history are either lying or had been lied to