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why the Mike Yanagita scene is critical.


This comes up periodically and old responses get purged so I figured I'd re-post it so everyone will understand.

Many think the scene where Marge meets old high school friend Mike Yanagita is unnecessary. Some mention that TV broadcasts of the movie cut that scene. But it is a critical scene in the overall story. Here's why.

Mike knew Marge in high school and contacted her after he saw her on TV news broadcasts of the murders. The scene with Mike came after her first visit to the car dealership, where Jerry assured her he would know if any cars were missing, and she went away content.

After her meeting with Mike, where he told her he was successful, had been married to Linda Cooksey, etc. she spoke to another old friend from high school who basically told her everything Mike said was a lie. As she is driving away, in her car, you see the flash of realization on her face, she was being too trusting, Mike had lied to her and maybe Jerry was lying too. So that realization caused her to go back to see Jerry, to press the issue about the Tan Cierra, and ultimately resulted in Jerry fleeing the interview, the beginning of her cracking the case.

Presumably if she had not encountered Mike she would not have suspected Jerry was lying to her face and the case might not have been solved. Or at least would not have been resolved the way we see it in the movie.

It is part of the "good vs evil" theme in the whole story. Where Marge lived and worked people were straightforward and honest, when she encountered Jerry then Mike she assumed, incorrectly, that each of them were being straightforward and honest. It was an "aha" moment for Marge that influenced her investigation of the case.

..*.. TxMike ..*..

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I've read analyses of that scene and figuring out the purpose doesn't make it any better.

It's a stupid setup for what happens later. The movie never, ever establishes that Marge was so unworldly she would take anyone at their word just because they were acting a certain way. As if that weren't bad enough, before that scene Marge is so unfazed when she sees the bodies of three murdered people that she doesn't even regard it with any shock or confusion. This implies that she's a seasoned veteran who's "seen it all" and therefore hardly the naive type.

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TxMike - I watched this great film last night and thought about this scene.

I think you are right but there is a slight nuance here others here seem to be missing.

Marge knew right away that Jerry was lying or hiding something during their first meeting. You don't need to be an FBI profiler to pick up on Jerry's obvious body language and evasiveness (great performance by Macy second only to McDormand!).

After the first interview with Jerry, I believe Marge had made the most logical deduction : that Jerry KNEW a car had been stolen from his lot or taken by Shep and was covering it up because if it was discovered he could lose his job. Jerry was lying not because he was involved with the 3 murders she was investigating, but because he was afraid of being fired.

There was no reason for Marge to assume the sales manager at a car dealership would be connected to a triple homicide.

After Marge met with Mike and found out that virtually everything Mike told her was a lie, I think she realized that she really should go back and make sure Jerry was not connected to the murders. The way to do that would be to force him to admit that a car had been taken or stolen from his lot and that that was the only thing that connected Jerry to her case.

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I saw this scene as being important for the very same reason. She realized she was being way too trusting of people. Here she had an old friend from school, who she knew for years, lie right to her face. So why should she believe a complete stranger? Thats the question she must've asked herself before going back to the car dealership.

Another thought I had while watching this for the first time is that Marge had not yet "incorporated her shadow" into her personality. Its something Jordan Peterson has spoke about, an idea first postulated by Carl Yung, that you have to incorporate the dark part of yourself to be a fully functioning capable person. That hiding your dark feelings and thoughts, burying them, keeps you from your full potential. As a police officer, Marge needed to be able to think the way evil people do in order to fight them. You have to be able to understand how they think so you can catch them. She was a sweet, trusting, and lovable person and she just didnt understand how people can lie and be so brutal. Even though she cracked the case when she stopped being too trusting, at the very end when she is taking Gaear Grimsrud in the back of her police car she still questions the whole crime. "Theres more to life than a little money, why would you people do all this". So she is still trying to come to terms with this evil act because she has a hard time thinking like them.

I guarantee after the whole event, she became a better police officer for the future.

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How do you incorporate your shadow???

I am intelligent enough and fine with accepting my own evil side and other's, and I also try to put myself in their shoes.
And yet, more often than not, I am baffled by what people do and I would never predict their behaviour.

So I would like to try this technique out to see if it makes a difference.
What do I do?

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The simplest way I can explain it, is to understand your aggressive side, accept it as a part of you, and have it at the ready so you can set boundaries with people, and when you have the capacity and capability to be violent you will not be an agreeable pushover to everyone you meet.

Short video with just Jordan Peterson about the shadow: https://youtu.be/iDQ8DiP_Y_A

The conversation between Jocko Willinck and Jordan Peterson explains it well here:
https://youtu.be/a4PS_DhzyDg

To sum it up: "Work on becoming a dangerous person, virtue lives in being dangerous but only using that when you need to protect yourself and loved ones".

Both of those videos are worth a watch or listen.

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I'll check em out, thanks.

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You're welcome.

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Think deeply about all the evil or insane acts you think you’re capable of. Imagine acting them out.

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I really like that break down. Thank you for that and the links

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You're welcome.

I had heard Fargo was a classic crime movie and knew of the climactic gruesome finale so I had finally made it a point to watch it. Some of the movie was interesting and worth analyzing. But I must say, so many despicable characters made it hard to watch. But perhaps that was the point? Evil is out there and we must prepare ourselves to fight it, and you cannot treat everyone with the same code of honor or ethics because some people really just dont care about anyone at all but themselves. We see different types of bad guys in the film each with their own degree of evil. But I think at its core they all shared the same operating ethos "Me above others" from Grimsrud's kill without care to Yanagita's lie to get what I desire. They all were selfish to the core.

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It's just character development to show she is very mild mannered and liked in town. She's supposed to be something of a friendly but simple small town cop. This scene lets us know she's always lived here and is regarded as just one of the townsfolk, not a supercop or anything.

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Presumably if she had not encountered Mike she would not have suspected Jerry was lying to her face and the case might not have been solved.


Well what kind of a cop is she needed a hint to realize that people occasionally lie.

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1. Jerry was not a suspect at that present time. No reason to put him through a big interrogation.
2. She only wanted to ask him a single question, nothing more.
3. She was the conversational and chatty type through the film. Him being evasive by changing the subject and therefore indirectly answering the question was a good strategy to say the least.

No reason to assume he's lying. I myself would have been a little suspicious at how evasive he was being, but I probably wouldn't put him on the spot right then and there. She was simply letting her cool-headed personality get to her a bit too much.

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