If death penalty alone is FUNDAMENTALLY bad and is morally just as wrong as murder of innocents...

But then why do so many people here, seemingly intelligent ones, actually state and argue that it is so, besides the fact that in both cases there is the removal of one's life?

What makes you the arbiter of who deserves to live? That makes you sound like a psychopath… almost like a killer. And since innocent people have died on death row, that makes the government just as guilty of state-sanctioned murder.

"What are you talking about?"

2 Anthony Socks - OK, I understand you have a very direct, very specific and very concrete opinion about real life capital punishment, regardless of where it takes place, including in the USA as you are also apparently aware of its minuses and nuances and generally still - you are very against it. And you apparently also believe that murder is always bad even if it applies to guilty criminals who may have also murdered innocents and possibly not just once etc as well as apparently for other reasons too.

But what am I talking about in here?

Well... For instance, how, although for a variety of complex reasons sadly not in life, but in fictional scenarios like movies and say books and fairy tales, even if not by the system, then by individuals, you have guilty criminals like murderers executed (have you seen any ACTION films Anthony, Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, James Bond films etc or even Death Wish Charles Bronson films) or just killed and not only do audiences don't blink an eye at it or say its "barbaric and wrong" but are in fact in support of it. (I also know because I've read reviews of such films for decades. Yep - no complaining there if villains get defeated at all.)

But... You have movies like this, Dead Man Walking, and other examples, even if the system really does execute say guilty individuals, and we often even then still think its bad, wrong, cruel and that, you know, they should be given many years of imprisonment instead, but if you execute them via the system, which many even say is bad and wrong in and of itself (why didn't the LAW think of that?), then its as bad or almost as bad if a murderer kills someone innocent etc and we simply wonder how right that is.

And America is what, really, a BACKWARDS nation?

And I myself am NOT saying if I totally agree OR disagree with it all, but I kind of want myself and others to come to a nice and satisfying conclusion in all of this.

First of all, an eye for an eye is not “biblical. bloodlust”, Anthony. It means that the punishment should fit the crime.

I don’t have any problem with murderers, rapists, etc. getting life in prison. But so often, that does not happen. They serve part of a sentence and get out to claim more victims. Capital punishment may not “prevent crime”, but it sure prevents murderers from doing it again. Laws don’t prevent people from committing crimes either. Should we abolish laws?

The Manson Family was given the gas chamber, yet their sentences were commuted to life when California outlawed the death penalty. It was infuriating and totally unfair for the families of the victims to have to go through a painful ritual every few years when these evil people came up for parole! Parole!

Sharon Tate’s mother, Mrs. Doris Tate, asked her daughter’s killer why should he be given mercy. All these killers go to college on the taxpayer dime, they “find the Lord” and blah, blah, they are all better now and rehabilitated. Makes me want to barf.

I have read many books on what cops deal with. They are appalled at prison psychiatrists who fall for these criminals sob stories and phony bulls@#$! Big Ed Kemper was back out on the street after murdering his grandparents when he was 15. One parole officer argued that he needed to be in prison. Ed Kemper attended one of his parole hearings with the head of one of his teen-age victims in the trunk of his car!

To his credit though, he has refused parole hearings and remains in prison now. The prison system is too stupid, but at least he has the self awareness to say, “ I should never go free.”

One cop said he hates prison psychiatrists because “they put absolute maniacs back on the street.”

Don’t want to execute them? The leave them where the belong, in a jail cell until they die.