Did cher have sex? - Clueless (1995) Discussion

[–] ParanoiaPoliticianDiva77 14 years ago

I think partially the joke of the romantic scene between Josh and Cher then straight to the wedding (with the visual gag of the supposition that it's the teen couple getting hitched) is partially a play on the fact that this is based on Austen. Which more often than not, once Austen's novel had the romantic resolution (confession of love scene or whatever) it would be soon followed by an announcement of marriage (this is seen heaps in Austen adaptions - in the Gweneth paltrow version of Emma, she has the scene with Mr Knightley, and it's immediately followed by her wedding). And seeing as Clueless plays so much with the Austen convention, I always took it as a bit of parody on that partiular trope of Austen's writing. It made sense of course in Austen's context, but now it just seems a little silly :P

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[–] whitespirit26 14 years ago

Sure, Danielle.

Taked, if that's so, then it's pretty damn pathetic.

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[–] ParanoiaPoliticianDiva77 14 years ago

Why is it pathetic?

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[–] whitespirit26 14 years ago

Because it promotes a kid having sex. An immature occasional twit like Cher with her father's college-aged assistant? Repulsive.

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[–] ParanoiaPoliticianDiva77 14 years ago

When you say a kid, she is 16. Which is age of consent in the majority of American states (I'm not American so I don't know which ones). And Alicia Silverstone was 19 in reality.
It's not unusual for teenage girls to go for older boys anyway, girls do mature far quicker than boys in that period, and it can be mind numbingly boring for a girl to go out with a boy her own age. Because they can still be acting like 13 year olds.
And it wasn't like it was some one night stand with some college guy she didn't know. She had known and trusted Josh for a long time. And they had never acted like brother and sister, they always had that chemistry. So it seems a natural progression.

Of course, the film never explicitly states Cher and Josh do it. It's just insinuated slightly. Viewers can make up their own minds.

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[–] whitespirit26 14 years ago

Not natural to me at all; she was immature, he was the age of consent and would have violated her dad's trust. I don't see them as always having chemistry.

"Of course, the film never explicitly states Cher and Josh do it. It's just insinuated slightly. Viewers can make up their own minds"

Thank goodness.

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[–] rufustilskin 14 years ago

I know I am tardy to the party, but I never thought they had sex. Considering that Cher was only 16 and Josh is over 18, that makes it a crime. Plus considering who her father is, I doubt Josh would have sex with her before the age of 18. Her father would have been very angry. Josh respected Mel way too much to sleep with his underage daughter. It doesn't matter if the age of consent is 16 in most states. If an adult (which is 18 or older) has sex with a minor, it is statutory rape. It doesn't matter if the minor consented. Look at the whole Mary Kay Letourneau case. She went to prison twice for having consensual sex with an underage boy, who was 12 when their relationship started, and then while out on probation, had sex with him again (I think he was 16 then). So no, I don't think Josh would be that disrespectful and stupid.

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[–] nancyjovanovic 14 years ago

Yup, she had sex with him its so obvious.

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[–] Briongloid 14 years ago

I don't see why they would have made her virginity such a prominent subplot if it wasn't going to be resolved during the movie.

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[–] marielapenn 13 years ago

yeah, they mentioned her virginity quite a bit, so i think it's supposed to be obvious she means sex there

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[–] AdrieCm 13 years ago

I agree. Her virginity (and losing it or not losing it) was mentioned in almost every scene.
Shoot, even the first time I saw it at 9/10 years old, I figured they had sex. I mean, it's so obvious with what she said and the wedding scene. They didn't get married and we knew they had become a couple, so what else was left?

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[–] bsb205 13 years ago

I think they did.

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[–] Bex12 13 years ago

Err hello no.

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[–] eeduke 13 years ago

Look, there was a joke implied, and it nothing to do with sex.
They finally expressed their feelings for each other, and she says "You know what happens next.." or whatever. Then it cuts to the wedding, and she basically says JUST KIDDING! That's it. I think you people are just obsessed with sex.

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[–] Cookiemonsther 13 years ago

really??? she meant JUST KIDDING, we didnt get married! implying that they did have sex... not obsessed with sex, but dang, i got this joke at the age of 15, and 15 yrs later, its still the same joke!

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[–] Takedi21 13 years ago

For all who say this "resolves" the virginity "issue", virginity is not an issue, it is commendable for her to be a virgin. They mention it several times in the movie, but that doesn't mean Cher has to give it up by the end. The point of the movie was that she was "Clueless." And..for anyone who states that it is obvious that they had sex by the end, then WHY does it seem so debatable (half the posters are saying, "No way!") And if the answer were a clear-cut, "yes," then there would be only one reply, not four pages worth!

No one ever said virginity was an "issue", we said that there was a virginity STORYLINE in the movie not issue. You mixing up the words completely makes that part of your post all null & unnecessary. Anyways back to the topic though. Cher's virginity was a subplot all throughout the entire movie!: At the beginning of the movie after her BFF Dionne gets into a fight with her immature boyfriend Murray Cher explains why she's not in a relationship right now and why she's not into highschool men. Around the middle of the movie Cher gives further explanation adding on that the way that highschool guys groom & dress is gross. We find out her personal stance on virginity in the diner scene with Tai & Dionne, we see Cher about to finally give up her virginity when she thinks that she's finally found her soulmate in Christian, we see Cher feeling sad that she doesn't have a loving & caring boyfriend to lose her virginity to like Dionne had in Murray in the scene where Cher says that Dionne finally lost her virginity to Murray after their almost-car crash on the freeway. And finally at the end of this subplot we see Cher finally at last get the type of guy that fits into everything that she said that she wanted in a guy at the beginning of the movie: mature, older, not-in-highschool, well-dressed guy (well actually Josh was no Christian in the well-dressed department, but he certainly dressed normally in comparison to the guys that Cher had encountered at school xD). Even though I agree with you that it's commendable to be a virgin, if you think that Cher was going to stay one until marriage then you obviously weren't paying very close attention to the movie. Cher wasn't anti-sex before marriage, she was anti-giving up your virginity to the completely wrong person for you. Cher herself said in the diner scene to Tai & Dionne "I'm not a prude, I'm just highly selective." Cher didn't want to wait until marriage to lose her virginity, she just wanted to wait until the right person had came along who had fit into all of her personal criteria of what her ideal Mr. Right is. Cher personally felt that if she was in a relationship with someone that she had loved then she would have sex with him. Again I have to reiterate that she herself said that she wasn't a prude which was to imply that she wasn't one of those strict, hardcore, virgins who (even when they're in a relationship with someone that they love) will wait a long time until their wedding night to lose their virginity. We saw proof that Cher wasn't a prude and would give up her virginity if her Mr. Right came along when she thought that her Mr. Right had came along in the form of her gay friend Christian. What makes you think that she wouldn't lose it to Josh too (who turned out to be her ACTUAL Mr. Right anyway).

EDIT: Disclaimer - I don't mean to offend any actual strict, hardcore, virgins out there at all with my post. It's absolutely a respectful and commendable thing. I was just pointing out that Cher wasn't one is all.

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[–] Takedi21 13 years ago

She did mention wanting a boyfriend because she realized she was lonely but said something like, "I realized how much I wanted a boyfriend of my own." Not, "I realized how much I wanted a boyfriend so that I could lose my virginity, too." The tagline isn't: "Virginity: will she EVER lose it!?" The entire 90 or so minutes is about all kinds of high school situations, most more ridiculous than real. But the movie most definitely wasn't centered around the main character's virginity. And if someone asked what "Clueless" was about, I doubt very much that the answerer would say, "It's all about this girl trying to find a man to lose her virginity to." Unless the answerer truly didn't understand the movie.

But you're taking that quote out of context. She said the line "I realized how much I wanted a boyfriend of my own." AFTER she had said this line: "After that Dionne's virginity went from technical to non-existent." Clearly she wanted someone of her own that she really loved & cared about to lose her virginity to. I said that Cher's virginity was an underlying subplot in the movie, not that it was the main plot obviously.

To the poster above: I am not knocking your opinion, just disagreeing with
it. So I would appreciate your having a little respect and not calling MY post
"null & unnecessary." It wasn't. It is my opinion, just as you voiced yours and
others voiced theirs. This is a message board and is meant for people's opinions, which I find interesting to read. As long as nobody's abusing it, fine. Bottom line: ALL opinions have value. Enough said.

But that specific part of your post WAS null & unnecessary! It was getting off topic as NO ONE was debating real life virginity, or calling it an issue at all! You misread something somewhere along in the thread, and had almost derailed the topic by getting off topic into something that no one was even discussing at all! That's why I had said that it was null & unnecessary. Because it truly was to the topic of the thread, and was getting off tangent into a discussion about a very sensitive, personal, private, real life topic. I'm sorry if I had offended & disrespected you in any way, shape, or form. I respect your opinion about the topic of the thread, it's just that your opinion about real life virginity (which I also respect) was out-of-place here.

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[–] ilnevertell 10 years ago

That doesn't imply sex at all. This is so stupid. It's not about you 'getting the joke' so please don't think you're smarter than everyone else, because you're clearly not. It's about you interpreting it to be sexual, when it wasn't implied at all. The only joke was the wedding joke.

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[–] daffodil54 12 years ago

like your mom.

sorry could not help

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[–] IbeatupDrew 12 years ago

I never thought about Josh and Cher having sex. I feel stupid!

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[–] shoegal421 12 years ago

I always thought they probably didn't that night although eventually, yes they would have. But I wonder how the dynamics would change between her dad and Josh.

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[–] velcronewsletter 12 years ago

not at that point in time, no. but you can expect it when their relationship developed over time. but not by the end of the film

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[–] jefgg 11 years ago

Didn't Cher the singer have a hit song "We All Sleep Alone"?

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