Dwight was right!


One thing I notice whenever I read comments about this movie is how Dwight was "Abusive." In fact, he wasn't. Yes... he had issues of his own that he needed to work out but I interpreted the physical altercations were a direct result of DiCaprio's characters lack of respect for him. Let's face it, Tobias was no angel and MOST of the things that happened to him directly resulted from his own actions.

In my opinion, Dwight was right in trying to help him correct his behavior. I got the impression that Dwight wouldn't have became such a jerk if the kid would have accepted his advice (or at least respected his opinion). Of course, Dwight is the adult and he was wrong to let it turn into a competition between the two, but "abusive"... no. He probably would have been ok if the kid had shown him a little respect.

Yes... Dwight has issues, "Doggie style or on your side.." but that isn't "abusive." Don't be so quick to file Dwight away as an abusive lunatic. Take a look at the people around him.

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>Dwight was "Abusive." In fact, he wasn't

- i think he was abusive. But I understand you. maybe because his abuses weren't as much as we expected an abusive father would be like. Like we've seen in other movies. Wherein they're violent with their belts, bottles, cigarette buds etc.

>Dwight was right in trying to help him correct his behavior

- I do agree with you that dicaprio's character wasn't always respectful to him. But I think it's also kind of unfair because Deniro's character overreacts to things. his rage gets so exaggerated over small things which resulted to dicaprio's character receiving his punishments more than what he deserved. Maybe it was due to the depression and his envious nature, I guess.

- Also, the fact that whenever there are certain issues lifed up like Dicaprio's prep school acceptance, the mother's high score during the turkey shooting thing really irked him. Whenever his bothered he'll pinpoint over senseless things like the "empty mustard container" or "gobbling the chocolates". He'll act as if he's pissed about those but in reality he's ashamed to admit his failures and pass it out to anybody weaker than him, and put the blame on them.

> "Doggie style or on your side.." but that isn't "abusive."

- I think it's not abusive in a sort of way because we all know his a total tool and wants to do whatever the way he wants to do it. but the way he pushed her head in the bed and how he forced himself in her. that was very ABUSIVE.



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Not abusive you say? The book says that he took Toby's mother to some hill, parked there and drank some whiskey and held his mother there at knife point. He said that he would kill her if she tried to leave him.

He also went down to Seattle after his mother had left him. He strangled her, but luckily she was able to kick him in the nuts and get him off of her.

Dwight was a piece of *beep*

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I'll speak about the movie, not the book (this is a movie forum):

1.- Dwight was abusive for TODAY's standards, not the 50's. Simply put, kids back then NEVER were allowed to talk back or worse, hit back at their parents. Especially in small rural towns.
2.- Tobias provoked him from day one with his Hot Shot impersonation of him.
3.- Tobias KEPT provoking him by lying about everything (Dwight being able to catch him every time sure didn't help), something Dwight clearly hated.
4.- Keeping his paper route money was petty, however it looked as if it went indeed to the household's keeping (we never see Dwight drinking or sporting new cool stuff that clearly he can't afford), thus is somewhat excusable (in poor families working kids are expected to contribute).
5.- Dwight only started to REALLY hate Tobyas after he stole his car and pushed him in the mud (unthinkable back then for a parent to put up with).
6.- Had Dwight really been abusive without reason, how come his 3 kids turned out all right? They never seem abused (especially the joungest girl), at worst he yelled at his son for talking back to him. They clearly knew his triggers and worked around them, hence they never seem at odds with him.
7.- It was simply an escalating match between the two, with each one piling on the previous stuff, making things worse. Back in the 50's the kids were expected to back off in such situations, not the parents. One has to defuse the situation or it simply gets worse.

And to top it all off, Dwight's influence propably is to thank for Tobias' success as a writer (forced him into his fantasies which later paid off big time), if even to a small degree.

Maybe I'm biased because I love De Niro and hate Di Caprio though...

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really, except for not giving him $10 lousy dollars for gym shoes that he worked for was about the worst thing he did.
well, if dwight got a new boy scout uniform, why couldn't toby get 1 too?
not saying it's right at all, but this is usually how step parents are, harder on the step children than the biological children. I notice skipper, norma, & pearl didn't have after school jobs.
he was right to discipline toby, but usually went to far, especially with the verbal abuse. I see norma couldn't wait to get out of that hell hole of a house.
dwight was more of a mental abuser than physical.

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Tobias Wolff is only a few years older than I am so I know that people did hit their kids, usually with a belt or hairbrush, but Dwight would have been one of the worst parents even at that time. Everyone knew the people who punched their kids, hit them in the face, left welts or bruises on them, and it was clear that they were very much looked down upon, and many clearly had mental problems. I grew up in a project where people were working class, nearly none of the adults had completed high school, many if not most men's free time was spent at the bar,and families had very little discretionary income. Constant worries about income, loss of a job, the hard life in general often made people take their frustrations out on the kids and one would have been yelled at about the mustard, perhaps slapped if we gave a particularly "fresh" answer but...

I read an interview with Dwight's kids years ago in which they said he wasn't nearly this bad, but this is from Tobias' point of view and there's no doubt he would have felt trapped with a man who was so different in every way from him. Some kids work around their crazy parents by being secretive and outwardly compliant and some feel they have to stand up or they'll drown, no matter what the consequences. I was constantly told to stop wasting time reading and get out and do something useful. College, reading, artistic interests were generally considered unaffordable luxuries (and sissified for boys) in that world, but our parents had come from a background of much tougher childhoods, which we knew nothing about, where they often had to worry about keeping body and soul together. Their primary concern was that we were able to support ourselves. People who were "soft" needed to be hardened up lest they end up being the aunt or uncle who never moved out of their parents' house.

I think money was pretty tight in that family and Dwight was an extremely insecure, jealous and intellectually limited man. It's very probable that he would have lost business when his wife went to work for the Democrats and that the financial pressure he felt made him go off about wasting anything. On the other hand, no matter how poor we were, everyone was able to afford a pair of Keds sneakers and keeping Toby's money while refusing to get him shoes or a uniform, if true, wouldn't be anymore understandable then than it is now - it wasn't the '30's. It would have been torture for Wolff to live under his control and he probably felt for his own sanity he needed to challenge and confront Dwight, highlighting how much smarter he was and constantly triggering Dwight's own insecurities. His mother I understand very well. Most women needed a man to survive, he didn't seem awful when she met him, and she was trying to make the best of the situation to give Tobias some financial security - happened every day. Divorce, even in the worst situations, was rare for working class people.

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Well I like them both. I think they are both good actors.

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Woah! bondjames is a psycho. Stand back everyone. Let's hope his post is a sick joke.

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I know that this is an old post, but the movie is much different from the book. In the book you do see the darker side of him. The book got the message across whereas the movie made him more sympathetic in a way. I can actually understand where you're coming from, but if you read the book you'd probably think different. He was a really irresponsible person in the book which is what made Toby hate him so much. Also some of the scenes in the movie never happened in the book.

SPOILERS

The infamous mustard jar fight scene didn't happen. When you read the book and see the movie it's pretty funny. IN the book, Dwight does force the jar in his eye and asks if it's empty, Toby says yes and gets slapped, but that was the end of that. When he talks to his father later it's stated he exaggerates the what really happened to make it sound worse (which kinda makes that final scene in the movie funny). But even if you read the book it also raises question because it makes you wonder what really happened and if Toby made up most of what really happened.

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Call me a square if you like; but I can't help but feel that attempting to kill a kid because he threw out a jar of mustard seems fairly abusive to me.

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All in all
if your intentions are to choke a kid out
front of your daughter
while your wife is in the house
that aint cool

Thats 100% Abusive

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I feel sorry for your kids you warped freak!!!

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