I've always imagined Dickon for many reasons
but some people think Colin
Although Colin is her cousin isn't that the time period where people still married there cousins ?
I wondering if anyone knew or had read the book and it says ?
Maybe it was ment to be :)
In the book there isn't really any romance between Mary and Dickon/Colin, but it is clear that she is very attracted to Dickon and describes him as 'beautiful' and 'like an angel.'
For the movie I think they left it up to the audience who Mary ended up with.
I personally think that Mary would have chosen dickon.
thanks :)
dickon and mary were always really cute toghter
Maybe it was ment to be :)
I know that in the 1987 version at the end it shows an adult Mary & Colin and Colin proposes. Hoever in that film they were not cousins. Colin and Mary's fathers had been good fiends when they were younger and so Colin's father offered to take Mary in after her parents died of disease.
shareIn the book, Mary, Colin, and Dicken are all children.
There is no romance at all, and no indication of future romance.
When they get older (after the end of the book), who knows. Mary could very well become romatically involved with someone else altogether. The book gives no indication at all.
In the 2001 sequel (or threequel) Mary and Colin have married and turned the mansion into an orphanage.
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I know that it was socially acceptable to marry first and beyond cousins in those period's; however in the case where the mothers were twins, the gene pool is different to when the mothers are born seperately. Obviously with identical twins the genes to which they both pass their children would be extremely similar - so mutations and/or problems with any of their children's combined offspring would be very high - it's kind of like being brother and sister.
Not knocking anyone's opinion or anything, my housemate who's studying medicine said this while we were watching the movie the other night lol
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Considering the social rules of the time, plus the fact that Dicken would have ended up as a servant there is no chance she would have ended up with him. I know it doesn't sound fair but that was the time. Either she would end up with Colin or her uncle would enter her into society (probably an heiress to her fathers money) and she would have married someone of their social class but marrying a working class boy wouldn't have happened.
sharebeing identical in appearance and actually being identical are two different things. in the books marys father was the brother of colins mother. there was no twins involved and if they were twins. yet not identical they would still be genetically cousins only in extremily rare cases are so called identical twins actually identical and then there children are considered siblings.
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Well their mothers were identical twins. So if their mothers shared the same DNA, I think that means that Colin and Mary would be as close as brother and sister.
I think.
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Probably have brother and sister, since they had different fathers.
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Unless Colin and Mary ALSO shared the same father that would not make them closer genetically than brother and sister. In the book Mary's father and Colin's mother were siblings but not identical twins. First cousins did marry during the period depicted in the book, although a union between Mary and Colin wasn't indicated by the author.
In Victorian and Edwardian England it would have been unheard of for a person of Mary's class (the British aristocracy) to marry the maid's brother (servant class).
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Yeah, if their mothers were identical twins then Mary and Colin would be like half siblings
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wow, this is completely wrong. Half siblings share one parent. Colin and Mary share NO parents.
shareWe're talking genetics here.
Identical twins have the same DNA, so their kids would be as genetically similar as half-siblings. If they had kids by the SAME person, those kids would have as much genetical similarity as full siblings.
when identical twins each have a child there children are genetically half siblings.
identical(truely identical) twins share the same genetic structure therefor there children will be genetically siblings.
if a set of identical twins mary and have children with a set of identical twins there children are genetically full siblings
An example of where the movie really confuses those who love the book, Mary's father was the brother of Colin's mother in the book. And there was no romance in the book nor do I think that Mary and Collin would have married since even then such relationships were not acceptable. Never understood why directors have to make so many silly changes to a good story.
sharewrong. back then it was socially acceptable to marry a cousin.
in fact 80% of marriages in the history of the world have been between closely related cousins and if you want to get technical since we all share common ancestory back to about 1000 years we are all cousins(no 2 people are no more then 50th cousins)
Half-brother an half-sister. Since their mothers are genetically identical, and they have different fathers.
shareI am guessing that the period is 1911 write when the children are ten. Well by the time they were of age to marry it started to be new practice for the wealthy to marry underneath them etc.
For example Prince Albert aka George the VI (whom was born in 1895) married Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon (Born 1900). If there was no Great War I am sure that Prince Albert would have wed one of the Russian Imperial daughters, however since the war came along and abdication and the desigration of Royal Empires in Europe. It seemed the the upper class started to look else were for marriages.
Hey the last wedding that Nicholas II consented before his abdication was of his own youngest sister Olga Alexandrovna whom she married a common soldier (even though she was married to a Count who turned out to be gay).
So in the case of Mary/Dickon/Colin she had a choice to marry her cousin (which practise also started to wane) or she could marry the "commoner" Dickon.
It was up to Mary.
In my opinion that sequel movie of TSG was horrible.
Thats exactly what I thought, they'd be as similar as half syblings, even closer if they're fathers were related... which was possible since all were english, and nobles. They're a chance theyre fathers were related to they're mothers in the first place. So it is a bit distrubing.
shareIn the book, their mothers were not twins or even sisters. Lilias was Mary's father's sister, not her mother's sister at all. So they were cousins, not half siblings. And yes it was fine for cousins to get married -- still is, apparently. I talked to a British guy recently who assured me that it's very common there for people to sleep with their cousins, and even their siblings in some cases.
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I'm pretty sure that British guy was pulling your leg ... my family's british, and I've never heard of British people sleeping with cousins or siblings.
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its legal in almost every part of the world.
but if your talking simply cousins we are all related.
no two people are no more then 50th cousins so everyone is in fact with a cousin
Actually "half" siblings. They did have different fathers.
shareback then they would have called them identical.
not they don't label twins identical.
and only in rare cases are children actually identical. even if they appear identical they usually are not.
if they were identical then mary and colin would genetically be siblings yet socially cousins.
but in the books mary's father was colins mothers brother
In the book they explain that Dickon dies in WW1.
shareNot true. I think that was in one of the other film or TV versions but the book ends when they are all children... not to mention that WWI was years away at the time of publication.
Dickon would unfortunately be of an age and a class to be a victim of WWI, however... a sad thing to contemplate.
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shareI'm of the opinion that Mary would've either married Collin (weird as that might be to our modern standards), or married someone else. She might marry Dickon, but she wouldn't have much of a life with him. Back then, people married for money and social status and Dickon was a servant-boy. Cute and charming as he was, he wouldnt't've taken Mary anywhere in life. If I remember from the book, he can barely read.
Actually in the book, it's Mary's father who is the brother of Colin's mother and they aren't twins just siblings (I think). The twins were just created for the symmetry in the films and I think it works really well.
And as other people say in the novel there is no suggestion of romance between the three at all. Though Mary is fascinated with Dickon. :)
I think she would marry Dickon, not Colin.
I haven't read the book but that scene where they are sitting on the swing and staring at eachother gives it away.
If she did marry Dickon, then she would probably be dependent on Colin for her money, wealth & social position. Dickon would never earn enough money to support her properly.
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Possibly, but don't forget that Mary's parents acted like they didn't have a kid. They probably signed off their money to some distant relatives or something, if they died.
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If I remember rightly, In those days if someones parents died the money went to the first born son and if there was only daughters it went to the first born daughters husband. So assuming she did marry anyone poor or not the money would go to her husband.
And just by watching this film I always wanted Mary and Dickon to get together when they were older, but by watching the scene when Mary feels unwanted near the end and goes and sits on the hill, although Dickon does at first see if shes okay he seems to just go off and ride his horse before Archie goes to comfort her.
Even if he was just a friend it seems way out of character for him to do that anyway?
in those days woman did not inherit any money would have gone to the closest male relative. so likely it would have gone to her uncle colins father since colin was not of age to inherit. unless they had other male relatives(which they didn't that is why mary went to live with her cousin)
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