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Did the audience know Arnie was gonna be a good guy?


When this movie was first released in theaters did the audience already know that Arnold Schwarzenegger was going to be a good guy or was it a surprise for everybody?

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No it was a major twist, all the marketing made it seem like the t-1000 was going to be a protector

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No they didn't.. They made it pretty clear Patrick's T-1000 was the bad guy

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The opportunity was there with the T-1000 dressed as a cop.

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Uhhhhh what? Were you old enough to recollect?

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Yeah, I was 28 and under no circumstances did the audience think Robert Patrick was a good guy, especially his facial expressions and the way he caried himself and his demeanor

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ok well i was 17 and I can tell you that my entire theater gasped when it was the t-800 that protected John in that mall hallway - literally GASSSPED

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My memory is a little fuzzy here. But i'm pretty sure the cat was pretty out of the bag by the time Arnie hit Leno. I lived in ultimate small town USA and we didn't even get movies opening weekend back then. You had to wait a few weeks. So my mind was never blown about anything. You always heard about everything already before it got there from the cool kids in school.

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Total surprise, iirc. It was awesome to see.

Hope I helped computer.

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Yes. Data received. And appreciated. 😋

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I thought you were going to stop all the downloadin'.

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I can’t. It just feels too good!

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Give him the stick! Doooon't give him the stick!!

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There’s a small possibility that I might slow down on the downloading, but one thing is for sure. I will never give up the pork chop sandwiches.

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Well, I'm glad you take fire safety seriously. :D

And I'm always glad to see a Fenslerfilm G.I. Joe reference. Those are like twenty years old now! I probably first saw them on ebaum's world, pre-Youtube internet. Still crack me up.

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Me too to everything you said. I miss the old internet. The first thing I ever saw online after maybe yahoo email, and some dirty pics, was a terrorist cutting off an American journalist’s? Head off. It was a big story on the news, but they weren’t showing the footage. So my buddy typed into ebaum’s world on my crappy PC. But I prefer the comedy stuff more. Gore kinda makes me depressed haha Although Bone tomahawk was pretty good. Haha.

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Huge S. Craig Zahler fanboy here, with Bone Tomahawk being one of my favorite recent horrors. But there's a big difference between fake gore and real. I remember Howard Stern mentioning rotten.com maybe in the late 90s. But yeah, give me Winnebago Man or Body Massage any day of the week. :D

And totally agree about the old internet, pwning on Counter-Strike 1.3b. I think social media was a mistake. I'm so glad I'm old enough that all the stupid shit I did growing up wasn't documented.

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Ya know, I’ve heard arguments that the iPhone was really the culprit for what we have to settle for as “the internet” now, and not so much social media. I mean, if you think about it, prior to 2007, you kinda had to know at least SOMETHING about computers to ‘find the good stuff”.
Once iPhones came out in 2007, every fucking soccer mom had access to everything, and that’s when shit started getting homogenized and boring with tons of advertising shoved down our throats. It’s just a theory though. I mean, social media is pretty awful too. 🤷‍♂️

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I can't say you're wrong...

Speaking of those, for a fun rabbit hole to explore, check out what Adam Curry has to say on the subject on JRE: https://youtu.be/NaPKrZTUoUs

They get right in to it at the start of the episode. And yes, [Adam Curry] the VJ from the early days of MTV.

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Oh yeah. Best new (relatively) young American director out there. All three of his films are great. And his novels are very good as well.

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It's insane how good BT was for a writer/director/composer's first feature for $1.8M in 21 shoot days. And have seen all three multiple times.

So glad you mentioned his books, as I keep checking to see if he's got a film in the works, I've been meaning to check them out for a fix. Care to recommend one?

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Bookwise, I'd start with A Congregation of Jackals, then continue with Wraiths of the Broken Land. They're both set in the American Old West, so good place to start if you appreciated Bone Tomahawk.
Be aware though: they both pack one hell of a mean gut punch... very much like BT and Zahler's other films, they take time developing the characters so you get attached to them before they're thrown into the meat grinder.... and because they are books and the reader brings a lot of his own imagination to the table, you feel even closer to the characters and more deeply impacted by their misfortunes.

Then his last novel, The Slanted Gutter, taking place in our days is great as well (but also has awful things happening to good people, in a world were nobody is spared and everythings is possible....).

Overall, his novels feel very much like his films, and very obviously come from the same mind, so they're a very good fix while waiting for The Bookie & The Bruiser.

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Thank you for the detailed reply!

Yeah, going back to my comments on BT, it's not often my favorite aspects of a genre film, especially horror, are the characters and their dialogue, so I knew the man could write. I've said before, I think Richard Jenkins was robbed of a best supporting actor nom, at least, for his Chicory.

I used to be a voracious reader, but going back to school in my mid-twenties replaced textbooks for reading for pleasure, and got me out of the habit, so I'm really looking forward to anything from this guy's mind.

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Yes, Jenkins is excellent in this. We're not used to seeing films that both feature that level of acting/characterization AND absolutely gruesome horror.

One thing I like about all of Zahler's films (which is also true of most of John Carpenter's) is that the guy obviously believes in pure, almost metaphysical, unadulterated evil that cannot be explained (sociologically or otherwise...) or reasonned with.

I'm not religious and understand the world is a complex place where even what seems like simple "cause and effect" relationships are in fact more complicated than meets the eye, but Zahler's and Carpenter's approach of confronting normal people to absolute evil as a test of their humanity is very interesting (and very much not in style these days, where even the evil of Michael Myers is explained away by a difficult childhood in Rob Zombie's remake of Halloween -which I like nonetheless !)

Let us know what you think if you get round tomreading some of Zahler's stuff...

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Yes, everyone knew for two reasons:

1. The trailers clearly show Arnold was a good guy, for Christ's sake, the voiceover even said "This time he is back for good.":

https://youtu.be/CRRlbK5w8AE?si=rAsdBQLIZ7UxbQoj

2. In the director and writer commentary from the DVD of T2, James Cameron said: We wrote the script like it's a twist when Arnold reveals to be a good guy, but the reality is when we wrote it we already knew it wouldn't be a twist because every marketing and interview with Arnold, the interviewers will say: "So, this time you play a good guy."

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Jeez that trailer spoiled practically everything 😕

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I remember I knew beforehand. Pretty sure it was from a trailer.

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After seeing the trailer at the time this came out, YES, the moment we saw Robert Patrick as T-1000

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I was taken completely by surprise , when I saw it at the cinema

I hadnt previously seen a trailer i dont think , but had seen the Guns N'Roses video plenty of times .

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I didn't see this til 2 years after it came out but knew the twist because of the Terminator 2 action figure commercials. I was only 5 years old when it came out.

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