Jerry or Larry?


Seinfeld or Curb?

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Curb.

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Much as I like Seinfeld, though I never watched it when it was on-the-air, I think Curb is better because it is more realistic and modern ... true to life sort or, but when it veers from the true to life it is more daring and interesting. But the times are different too ... I doubt Jerry could have picked up a hooker to get into the carpool lane for example. ;-)

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no way, Jerry is too straight-edge.

Larry's got the weird ideas that are both original and hilarious.

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George could have. Kramer could have.

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George = Larry tho

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It still could have been done on the TV show Seinfeld; it's not limited to Curb.

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Well, I disagree. Seinfeld, being on network TV ( so maybe it is not the Seinfeld show, per se) had to be more tame.

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They did a show about Jerry's maid being analagous to being a hooker; they could have done a storyline about George hiring hookers to go through the carpool lane. It would likely end with them asking to be dropped off at "jobs", and George getting arrested for pimping and/or human trafficking.

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Seinfeld. I think Jerry is responsible for the more playful, childlike humor on Seinfeld.

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That is probably fair, though Larry has his moments. I have been re-watching a lot of Curb, and was particularly struck lately about the episode when they held the grand opening of their new restaurant with the Tourette's chef who has an outburst of obscenity which offends everyone and Larry joins in with shouting obscenities to be in solidarity with him ... and then everyone else in the restaurant does too ... including Shelly Berman, Larry's Dad. That really had me laughing in a good way.

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Yes

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Seinfeld is the more enduring show. It's more than 20 years old and our family still quotes it on a regular basis. Also, Seinfeld had to work within network boundaries (no profanity) to get its well-earned laughs.

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You're right. Seinfeld is still good more than twenty years after its final episode aired, even though I've seen every one at least ten times. And working within network boundaries made it more creative and funny.

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The important point is the network TV constraints .. good one.

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Both are great, and it's really hard for me to choose. Curb has more of an edge to it, it feels more sophisticated, the lack of laugh track is nice, and Larry's antics are amazingly awkward and hilarious. On the other hand, Seinfeld has more polished scripts which leads to some brilliant one-liners and clever dialogue. Don't get me wrong, Curb's dialogue is charming and the realism is cool, but Jerry and Larry hired great writers and clearly polished the writing to make it really, really sharp. Also, while the supporting casts are great on both shows (and Curb has "George Unleashed"), Seinfeld's supporting cast is a bit stronger, I think. As much as I love Jeff, Leon, and Cheryl, I don't know that I want to watch a whole episode centred around any of them. Compare that to George, Kramer, and Elaine.

Character and plot comes first on both shows and it makes each one shine in its own right. I can't pick a favourite.

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You know, as I watch the seasons of Curb again, what I notice is really delightful is the music. The music on Curb Your Enthusiasm is just so perfect it almost makes you laugh on its own.

And yes, Curb is singly focused on Larry, that was a really good point. But in Curd they go more into the lives of the supporting casts sometimes, but not permanently. Like Mocha Joe, or Larry's psychiatrist who told him to give Cheryl an ultimatum, or Moneena, or the Shucker, or Lin-Manuel Miranda, Ben Stiller, or David Schwimmer, ... there have been lots of notable peripheral characters, but true, it would not work to make an episode about any of them - without Larry.

Curb centers more around funny set-up circumstances I think, and the characters are subservient to that.

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Curb does have truly delightful music that can really get laughs. Kudos to Steve Rasch (longtime music supervisor).

Also, this is totally my personal preference, but I've always felt NYC>LA.

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The music is FANTASTIC on Curb, yeah.

Curb and Seinfeld each had great bit players. You're right: Curb got a little more in-depth with some of them. But Seinfeld had Babu Bhatt and Newman. I do love the celebrity cameos on Curb, too. Wanda Sykes always catching Larry being "racist" or Michael J. Fox. Schwimmer was awesome, yeah.

From what I've observed, Curb and Seinfeld both are about circumstance. Larry David's hand as a writer clearly shows through on each show with the plots that only ever *appear* meandering, but wind up converging into pure, farcical, satirical gold. I think that's why I find it hard to pick a winner: each one is so deftly plotted that whether tightly written or improvised, whether network or HBO, whether celebrity/fourth wall-busting or surreal New York, each one works on a foundational level, and that's what really counts.

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Your mention of Wanda made me laugh remembering one of my favorite Larry/Wanda interactions when he's in the car and he sees her walking and yells out: I'd recognize that tush anywhere! Which, of course, leads to Cheryl accusing Larry of liking "big asses" which ties back beautifully to Kramer's Ass Man episode.

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Hahaha, yeah, I just watched the a few days ago ... or the one with the tits, where Larry and Cheryl are at a party and Larry joins into the game of telephone and proclaims the message is "I like tits" ... and then at home he calls a mouse a tit-mouse ( titmouse, which is actually a bird )

There are so many absurd and silly incidents like that in Curb I have to chuckle just thinking about them.

And then Cheryl gets offended because Larry like big asses, and says, so I have a big ass. Once in these kind of morasses ( PUN INTENDED ) there is no winning for a guy.

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I love both of those! The moment where Kramer points to the plate and the cop just lets him park in the doctor's spot!

Wanda's disapproving looks at Larry are hilarious. Then she gets Larry in trouble with Cheryl...so good.

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love both but I prefer Seinfeld

it's more tightly written and I find Curb's L.A. setting a little depressing

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The thing I would say about Seinfeld is that the show is less nasty, and more sociable and "loving" ... centered around all friends having in general a good time together. I agree that Curb lacks that, and uses that nastiness, meanness, as a source of humor.

It is funny that New York which is known for people being blunt and kind of harsh, and LA is known for mellow ... they both play against type in a way.

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