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Not counting pt. 5, this is the beginning of the bad half of the series


I don't watch pt 5 and don't count it. Nor Jason X or FvJ for this purpose.

So then you have 8 films. Parts 1-4. Then parts 6,7,8,9. Parts 1-4 are good old school slashers.

Part 6 is the beginning of the reason you could def consider this series a crock. 6 7 8 9 were so bad!

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I dont think so. I think 1-8 are excellent.

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No. You don't think Parts 5, 6, 7, and 8 are "excellent". You just like them.

There is absolutely nothing excellent about those movies. They're f^cking awful in almost every way.


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I think I know better of what movies I find excellent.

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Explain then what you find to be "excellent" about those movies...


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I find them to be simply scary fun.

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What specifically about each of those movies (parts 5, 6, 7, & 8) is "excellent", in your opinion?

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The Kills
The score/music
The entertainment factor
The characters or just watching them get killed off
Part 5 had a more character driven story with Tommy
The twist ending in part 5
I like how part 6 went back to camp
The telekinesis in part 7
Kane Hodder in 7 and 8

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I agree, part 6-9 had their own twist and flare to them, nothing wrong with those later Friday movies.

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tmock-1 i'm totally with you. Pretty much all your comments have been right on the money. I'll go one further & say anyone who would prefer Part 6 & onwards over the early films is not actually a Friday The 13th fan at all... or a horror fan, or even a movie fan. They're people who just want really sh!tty entertainment.

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I love all the Fridays aside from the remake.
1-5 are the classics though. Yes I included 5. I don't care if it's not Jason. That is a terrible reason to dislike the film. 5 has great characters, a wonderful grindhouse atmosphere and it's the last Friday to actually feel like an old school Friday the 13th. Yes 1-4 are better. With 1/3 being my favorites overall.
The zombie Jason films are good too. 6 is fun but easily the overrated one out of 6-8. 7/8 for me are more rewatchable.
9/10 are alot weaker then any of the first 8 but still enjoyable.

Hate the remake.

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To say somebody who prefers part 6 isn't a horror fan is an ignoramus comment. The entire franchise and each entry within has been completely focused on the kills. 6 may not have the goriest kills but it certainly had some of the more creative. Also, to pester on someone about why the latter films are specifically better without giving reasons the first 4 are is completely unfair and juvenile. It's like a child who keeps asking "why, why, why".

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Dave, you are not the deciding factor on who is or is a horror fan. In fact, most horror fans expect the fact that many of the horror films we see will automatically be crap. But stop trying to decide who is or is not a horror fan. It doesn't make you come off as true horror fan (which you most likely are a horror fan), it just makes you look like an ass.

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7th and 8th are the worst of series and 6th quite bad too but 2nd and especially 3rd are also quite sh!t so go *beep* yourself somewhere else.

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I dont think so. I think 1-8 are excellent.


I think 1-5 are excellent. I also like the 2009 reboot.

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I find JASON LIVES to be one of the strongest installments. I'd put it in the top four with the original, Part 2, and THE FINAL CHAPTER.

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Agreed I would as well. Part 4 is my fav followed by 6 then even 7. I find 4-7 and even 8 to an extent to be the real Friday the 13th films with the real Jason etc.

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So, parts 2 and 3 have a "fake" Jason running around? You only into zombies? Part 2 was by far the creepiest and most realistic (close to human) Jason the series has seen, followed by Part 3.

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(It's lee-333 or whatever my temp name just was).

I'm not saying it was a "fake" Jason. What I mean is when I was younger, I'd always go to the video store (I'm talking like 10 or younger) and they'd always have part 6, 7, 8 etc. I specifically remember seeing the back of Part 8 with Jason reaching through the port hole to grab Rini or whatever her name was. Then I was given the Friday the 13th NES game as well which has him looking like part 4 or higher as well.

So before I even saw a single Friday the 13th, all my images of Jason were him as the crazy zombie. So I just mean to me, that's how I always picture Jason.

"You mean the movie lied!?" - Freddy, Return of the Living Dead.

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I find JASON LIVES to be one of the strongest installments. I'd put it in the top four with the original, Part 2, and THE FINAL CHAPTER.
Completely agree with this.

Also, not that anyone asked but I've always thought Part V was complete and total crap.

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How exactly do you find Parts 5, 6, 7, and 8 to be "real" compared to Parts 1-3?

Your statement doesn't make much sense at all.

First of all, it's not even Jason in Part 5.

Secondly, Part 6 and everything after are parodies. They're not even intended horror films. They're "comedic slashers" with awful acting, writing, and characters.

A guy boxing Jason on the rooftop of a building? That's a real Friday The 13th film, bro!

The opening credits of Jason Lives parodying James Bond? Totally real!

Misspelling the last name of the titular character of the series in Jason Goes To Hell? Bro, it just doesn't get anymore real than that!

Kane Hodder's false interpretation of Jason as a hulking, extreme mouth breather, who brutally murders any and all that cross his path....except for kiddies and whittle doggies? Listen man, that's just straight up real.


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Oh *beep* off, "bro", they're ALL *beep* stupid. It was only in the later films that they began to openly acknowledge it. Anyone who has angry opinions about the Friday the 13th series needs to check their priorities.

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He means image wise, when you think of Friday the 13th you think of the mask, and the mask didn't come into play for a whole movie until part 4. This is what I believe he intended to say. The nature of the movies from then on out are varied from film to film. You can't classify nearly half the series as parodies, it's a matter of getting people who only cared about cashing in on a franchise to make the movies, therefor the creativity comes off looking plain silly.
Though 6 and 7 are personally some of my favorites.

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Yeah part 6 is actually my favorite, mainly because there is a return character in this one. And a strong one at that.

But I have to say, with the exception of 8 (which I never liked for some reason) I liked 1-4 and 6,7,9. Each of them added something to what is an amazing overall story. 5 was atroticious (obviously) along with x.

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Please tell us what Parts 7, 8, and 9 added, positively, to the franchise.

And what exactly is this "amazing overall story" you're referring to?

We had a good story in Part 1, decent stories in Parts 2 & 4 and that's about it.

It baffles me that you think Jason X is atrocious but like Jason Goes To Hell.


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Sure, that makes sense that you would think a Friday The 13th film that parodies James Bond in the opening credits would qualify as "one of the strongest installments".

This entry is the start of the franchise becoming a parody of itself....on purpose. It's not even a horror movie as it was never intended to be. It's a comedic slasher.

Yes, let's put an American Express card gag and parody James Bond in a Friday The 13th film. That will surely resonate as "quality" in a franchise that was known for horror.

They even break the 4th wall with the gravedigger. The Alice Cooper songs fit in perfectly with this.

I bet you thought Jason's utility belt was cool too, eh?


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Why would you not count part 5? It's awesome! Just because it wasn't Jason? Jason wasn't in Part 1. You probably shouldn't count that one either. Part 5 had amazing kills. Fun characters. A lot of nudity and a cool atmosphere. People like you also don't like Halloween III, because Michael Myers wasn't in it, or Nightmare on Elm Street 2. All of which are some of the best and most underrated horror sequels of all time!!

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Which is why part 5 is my second favorite. Ridiculous (and tons of) kills, huge knockers, and the unstoppable Roy Burns. Jason Lives was a great return, TNB had some good stuff going for it; it was at 8 that the suckage started for me.


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"huge knockers and a fake Jason"

Yep, those are quality aspects of a horror movie. Yep, if a horror movie wants to scare me, as by definition is it's sole intention, it must contain females with big titties, hard rock/heavy metal music, and tons of blood & gore.

It also helps tremendously if the studio keep the same title and leads me to believe that the titular character is actually in the movie.

I've got some great ideas for Jason Lives. This will really scare people. Let's put an American Express card gag in it and then we'll parody James Bond in the opening credits. People will surely think it's horror and be scared sh!tless.

A psychic girl battling Jason. Cool horror movie, bro. Totally enjoyed the part where her daddy rises out of the lake and takes Jason down with him.

I shudder to think what your favorite is if Part 5 qualifies as 2nd best for you.


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I don't know why I didn't like 5, just didn't. But I did like Halloween 3, loved it in fact. Nightmare on Elm St 2 was garbage.

Why would you compare Elm St. 2 with Friday the 13th 5 and Halloween 3? You do realize it's still Freddy in there right?

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I've always thought NOES 2 was one of the best, no matter the gay undertone deal because Freddy was to me was a much darker, evil Freddy than even in Part 1, even when he's not "Freddy" later in the film.

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Halloween III, Friday The 13th Part V: A New Beginning, and A Nightmare On Elm Street 2 are "some of the best and most underrated horror sequels of all time!"?

Yikes.

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1-8 are my favorites. They have some pro's and con's but they all have a certain kind of nostalgia charm that the New Line Jason's never had.

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6 is good. 7-10 not so much.

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1-8 were great. Jason Goes to Hell started to go downhill and continued with Jason X, FvJ, and the remake. I HATE remakes of classic horror films!!! They need to be left alone.

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Why were Parts 5, 6, 7, and 8 "great"?

What qualifies them as such?


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I'll atleast defend 6. Jason Lives has the best cinematography in the series, some very good kills (which is really what the series has always been about), and is the funnest movie/ best-paced in the franchise.

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I have it a little different. I agree with 1-4 being the good old-school slashers. 5 being the "Halloween III" type but I still leave it in there more for the time period, had the 80s cheese about it. 6 and 7 I enjoy and feel it ends there. Jason Takes Manhattan, eh. I just can't get into it. I'll watch it like I have during the AMC Fearfest but it's just to pass time. It doesn't feel like any of the others from that decade. It came out at the tailend of the 80s in 89 but it feels more like it came out in 92, a year before Jason Goes To Hell. So for me, it's 1-7 I can watch anytime. 8 onwards, blah.

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I dont know about you but Part 6 was one of the best Jason movies out of the entire series. It was the one that made him super zombified giving him a new scarier edge because you know now that some random person can't just kill him with a gun and the movie ends.

It also has two of the best Jason kills of all time ranking right up there with the sleeping bag smash. When he smashes the chick's face into the side of the RV and when he breaks the Sheriff in half was awesome.

But I still say part 4 was my favorite followed by 6, 3, 2, 7, 1 and 8 in that order. I ranked 1 towards the end because I'm not a fan of Ms. Vorhees although I did like the victims cast.

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6 might be the best overall one behind 3 and 4.it actually adds a multilayered plot and passable characters.

the next 2 were kinda meh..i actually don't mind JGTH.people criticize it for just making up new things but it wasn't like the previous movies were just overflowing with details that they ignored.

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Right, because it's super scary when you parody James Bond.

The utility belt really made me fear Jason even more.

It's a shame that you're not a fan of good acting, writing, and atmosphere.


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it's a shame you're a *beep* who can let somebody have an opinion.

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I'm happy to point out the fact that you can't distinguish between horror and comedy.


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Okay, what's your problem? Sure, you prefer 1-4. My favorite entries in the series are 2 and 6. But you don't have to go around trashing anybody who slightly disagrees with you. My favorite albums by the band Dream Theater are the 2nd album and the newest album, since I feel like they both represent what the band is all about more than any of their other albums. However, some people like their second newest album the most, which I found to be extremely weak and not really representative of their sound. I don't go around trashing them for that opinion, do I? No! I don't say it doesn't make them a Dream Theater fan. There are 12 films in the series, not 4. The series changed after the first 4, but it's not -wrong- for somebody to enjoy the later ones more.

Anyways, I had always known about Jason as a kid, but had never seen any of the movies, seeing as I wasn't allowed to watch them and had no intentions of watching them either. Come 11th grade, I went on a huge horror kick and watched all sorts of horror movies. None of them were frightening to me, but simply very entertaining. I also need to say, for the longest time, I had no idea that the movies took place at camp. I just knew about the hockey mask and machete killer of Jason.

At one point, I bought the Friday the 13th box set. Now, since this was around 2006 or 2007, I was watching it from the viewpoint of it being a legendary horror franchise. The first movie I found to be good, and had a good atmosphere, but some parts bugged me. However, once Pamela Voorhees showed up and was revealed to be the killer, I hated it. She absolutely ruined the movie for me. She was not scary, she was annoying, especially with her talking from Jason's perspective.

Part 2 took everything I liked about the first one and "fixed" what I didn't like about it. The characters were a bit more likeable to me, the villain wasn't annoying, and it was just more entertaining.

Part 3 wasn't bad, but it sort of felt..."plain." It doesn't really stand out for me. It was cool to finally see Jason in the mask at this point, however. I don't really have much to say.

Part 4 I've only seen once, so I can't say much about it, but I feel the same about it as I do the 3rd one. It's a guy in a hockey mask killing teenagers at a camp. Doesn't really scare me, wasn't as atmospheric as the first 2. Still, like 3, it was solid. I just don't have much to say about it. Side note though, it probably has my favorite kill in the entire series, when Jason pulls the girl out of a second story window and throws her through the air.

Part 5 I thought started off awesome. Very character-driven, which I feel is important in horror movies. I was hoping to see the main character face his fears and confront "jason" but instead, he bailed halfway through, and that's when the movie crashed. The rest was pretty awful, but the chainsaw/machete fight was kind of cool

Part 6, while a bit more cartoonish than the first 4, is certainly more entertaining. This is also the first movie to feature Jason the way I envisioned him as a kid. He was brutal, unstoppable, and frightening. This gave the movie more tension. The characters were also somewhat likeable, but still machete food.. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I remember enjoying the fact that there was at least somewhat of a plot in this one (as opposed to kids showing up at camp, hearing rumors of jason, then dying) It also has probably the scene I found the most memorable and effective in the whole series, when somebody walks into one of the rooms to see the walls drenched in blood. This was probably my favorite film in the whole series.

Part 7 wasn't bad. It seemed like 6 but not quite as good (though still good) I really don't remember anything about this one other than the part where jason's mask breaks. I enjoyed it.

Part 8 was enjoyable, but not really as a horror movie. The whole movie was a cheesy, campy mess (in a good way.) The girl getting killed with her guitar, the street thugs threatening Jason, the dude's head getting punched off and falling into the garbage, yet somehow showing up inside the cop car. It wasn't scary at all, but it was still entertaining as a campy 80s cheese-fest.

Part 9 I have nothing good to say about. Absolutely nothing. I didn't enjoy a single thing about this movie, and I like to pretend like it doesn't exist. The ONLY redeeming factor was the shot at the end where freddy's claw shows up and grabs Jason's mask.

Jason X was actually the first film I had seen in the series (my neighbors let me borrow a copy) I found it to be entertaining, though not exactly scary. It was cool to see Jason with more modern production values.

Freddy Vs Jason I only saw this once on tv, but I dont remember it being all that great. It wasn't bad, just typical slasher fare. The scene where Jason stabs somebody multiple times and folds the bed in half is one of my favorite kills in the series, however.

Remake I saw this one in theaters, and later purchased it, but I don't really like it. It's a typical, generic affair with modern production values that completely ruin any of the love I have for 80s slashers. I really like Danielle Panabaker though, and the asian guy whose name I can't remember is always fun, but overall the movie just leaves a bad taste.

So yeah, that's my opinion on each movie. I find the 2nd to be the most effective as an old school slasher, but I find 6 to be my favorite for the reasons I listed above.

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stevenmarcato, I agree. Parts 1-4 is the best :)I hope part 4 will be released on Blu ray soon :)

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tmock needs to stop being a contentious dickhole and realize that not everybody shares the same views. Seriously dude, you sound so *beep* pretentious. "No! Everything post-Final Chapter isn't a real Friday film. You're not allowed to have an opinion!!"

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I like what all of the Paramount films (and FvJ and the remake) bring to the table. For what each of these films sets out to do, they do it well. Some more so then others of course, but I enjoy them all.

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