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Good for Mr. Cameron for standing up against the immoral tyrants!

posted 13 years ago by Navaros
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I really don't care about the show Growing Pains. I watched it a few times and found it boring and uninteresting.

But I feel the need to comment because Mr. Cameron is being slandered on this board for standing up for morality whilst on this show.

People have called Mr. Cameron things like 'tyrant' for that.

Mr. Cameron is no tyrant.

You wanna know who the tyrants are? They are the makers of the show who were trying to force a kid (Mr. Cameron at the time) to do immoral things.

Why couldn't they just write a moral script? Would that kill them to write a moral script? No, it wouldn't, so what's the problem with them doing that?

Ditto with not hiring actors/actresses who are wannabe porn stars.

Remember, Mr. Cameron was a teen idol at that time, hence a lot of kids looked up to his character as a role model. They wanted to be just like him. If his character was pushing immorality on the show, then the kids who looked up to him would follow that bad example in real life.

Therefore, shame on the makers of the show for being tyrants who tried to use it to push an immoral agenda, and force a child actor to conform to that immorality.

Kudos to Mr. Cameron for standing up for morality and against that tyranny. I applaud him, as should everyone who is moral.

[–] screenwriter824 11 years ago

"Kudos to Mr. Cameron for standing up for morality and against that tyranny. I applaud him, as should everyone who is moral."

Oh look... a fundamentalist Christian troll.

Hey, God bless Navaros if that's what he WANTS to be. People like you make ME proud to be a non-judgmental, liberal Episcopalian. I'm totally secure in that, and I don't care about any fundamentalist Christian judging me. I don't see anything wrong with what Julie did, but some people just wanna bash her and praise Kirk. I don't judge neither of them for what they did because nobody's perfect. Perfection is for God. Jesus was sinless, neither of us are & that includes YOU, Navaros. I don't know HOW long you've been a Christian for, but can you honestly tell me you've never committed a single sin since you became a Christian? Can you tell me with full honesty that (although I'm sure you make efforts to AVOID it), that you don't still sin EVER? I highly doubt that. So if the logic is that no sin is worse than another and ALL sin is the same, sin is sin, etc. that makes you no better or worse than Julie McCullough, or ME for that matter. Even though you'll probably accuse me of not being a "real Christian" just because I'm a liberal Episcopalian, but I don't care. Fundamentalist Christians have told me that before, and I don't have to answer to any of them. Maybe you should think hard about your own "sinful nature" before coming on IMDb boards to make statements like that. A sinner can't judge another sinner. I don't know if you're the type of fundamentalist Christian who goes around protesting people's funerals, but THOSE people need to think about those things too. They're not sinless either.

Peace out and blessings to all. Love others as you wanna be loved and treat others as you'd wanna be treated... that's how my mom raised me and I'm proud of who I am. Whatever backlash you end up giving me is nothing I can't handle.

[–] Navaros 9 years ago

screenwriter, there is no such thing as a "liberal Christian." That's an oxymoron that cannot exist.

And if you were really Christian, you would be fighting against evil as I do, rather than defending it as you are doing.

fundamentalist Christian troll.

I reject your "fundamentalist" and "troll" labels. On the other hand, you seem to be trolling by claiming to be Christian yet, paradoxically, attacking me for defending morality whilst you simultaneously defend & promote evil.

can you tell me with full honesty that (although I'm sure you make efforts to AVOID it), that you don't still sin EVER?

No, I wouldn't say that. However, I would never be proud of or unrepentant of my sins. In contrast, all indications seem to be that the pornstar wannabe on this show was neither repentant nor regretful of her evil behaviors. Ergo, she doesn't deserve to be let off the hook for them.

Even though you'll probably accuse me of not being a "real Christian" just because I'm a liberal Episcopalian

You definitely are not a real Christian. But I am not "accusing" you of not being one. I'm stating it as an outright blatant fact. "Liberal Christian" is an oxymoron that cannot exists. God hates evil, and liberals love evil. So "Christian" and "liberal" are inherently irreconcilable concepts.

but I don't care

I'm sure you don't. God, however, does. And like everyone, one day you will have to account to him for your evil ways at His Judgement Seat.

so if the logic is that no sin is worse than another and ALL sin is the same,

Not sure where you are getting that crap from. Of course all sin is not "the same," except insomuch as all sin is evil. But there are certainly different degrees of evil.

A sinner can't judge another sinner.

How do you figure? I've never tried to be a pornstar as did the actress who we are discussing. If I did, then you might have a point.

Love others as you wanna be loved

That certainly is not what you do. Your post to which I am now replying makes clear that you hate Bible-believing Christians, which is an extention of your hate for the goodness and morals that Bible-believing Christians and God stand for.

I, on the other hand, am loving others by applauding Mr. Cameron for taking a stand against immorality and thus showing love to him and all of the people who he potentially helped not to try and become pornstars like their heroine on this show.

If you had the love you speak of, you thus also would be sharing in my love for Mr. Cameron and the people who he helped by standing against evil.

[–] screenwriter824 9 years ago

Navaros, you are nothing but a fundamentalist *beep*-TARD hiding behind the bible to justify ur hate!

Ur a fundamentalist all the way

U probably even think CHILDREN go to hell

U probably rape little children just like those fundamentalist Christians the Duggars

You'll have to answer to God for UR judgments against others

HEY EVERYONE... NAVAROS IS A CHILD RAPIST FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN *beep*-TARD PEDOPHILE

[–] Navaros 9 years ago

Navaros, you are nothing but a fundamentalist *beep*-TARD hiding behind the bible to justify ur hate!

Ur a fundamentalist all the way

U probably even think CHILDREN go to hell

U probably rape little children just like those fundamentalist Christians the Duggars

You'll have to answer to God for UR judgments against others

HEY EVERYONE... NAVAROS IS A CHILD RAPIST FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN *beep*-TARD PEDOPHILE

screenwriter824, only the sickest of the sick could even think up such evil slurs, much less state them. The hate in your heart for goodness is exceeded only by the love in your heart for evil.

You are a liar and a slanderer and one day you will have to account to God for every single iota of all of your evils.

[–] screenwriter824 9 years ago

U dont scare me, Navaros. U dont scare me at all

Slandering other people is exactly what U do on here.. ur not doing "God's work" no matter what u THINK ur doing... ur spreading ignorance, hate and poison

& just a little piece of advice for u... u should probably stick EXCLUSIVELY to fundamentalist Christian entertainment if those are ur beliefs... avoid shows like Growing Pains or anything like that. Dont watch any horror movies or TV shows, avoid suspense programs since all fundamentalist Christians think horror movies and programs are "satanic" and "of the devil" ... so u sshould probably stay away from all entertainment like THAT & stick EXCLUSIVELY to shows like The 700 Club & all types of fundamentalist programming like that, since its ur cup of tea & it would probably be in ur best interest to stay away from everything else, since its all "of the devil" ... so enjoy ur 700 Club since its virtually the only kinda programming that matches ur beliefs

[–] Navaros 9 years ago

U dont scare me, Navaros. U dont scare me at all

Who cares? I'm not trying to. I'm just stating the truth. How you feel is irrelevant to the truth. The truth remains the truth regardless of your feelings.

no matter what u THINK ur doing... ur spreading ignorance, hate and poison

On the contrary, that is what you are doing. That's why you make abominable lying & slanderous & hateful posts like your previous post in this thread before the one to which I am replying now. Only a very sick & evil & hateful & poisonous person could do that. Examine the evil in your heart, for its presence there is unquestionably abundant. And your slanderous posts against me prove it beyond any doubt.

I am doing the exact opposite of what you do. You spread poison; I spread righteousness.

I agree that most modern entertainment promotes evil in one way or another. But that's another story. The topic of this thread is the evil specific to the Growing Pains show and Mr. Cameron's noble opposition to it.

[–] screenwriter824 9 years ago

There is NOTHING righteous about what u spew, Navaros. Nothing righteous at all

Ur just trying to be Pat Robertson

If u hide behind the bible and all that, do u go around telling people that being divorced and re-married is ALSO adultery? Because fundamentalist *beep*-TARDS like u and Kirk Cameron will go on spewing that lust is adultery but they conveniently leave out that being remarried after a divorce is ALSO listed as adultery in the bible

U probably idolize those morons at Westboro Baptist Church... do u believe children go to hell? Because they believe that

But most importantly, Navaros... what are YOUR sins? U seem to wanna bully and belittle people for THEIR sins (and make NO mistake, what ur doing IS bullying, no matter WHAT u call it and no matter HOW u romanticize it)... but what are YOUR sins, Navaros? What are YOUR sins?

[–] PMan15 11 years ago

First of all, you're blindly confusing posing nude and pornstar wannabe. Posing nude does not make you a pornstar. Julie posed nude in Playboy in rather tame photographs.

How "Christian" was it to make a girl unemployed? To take away her income and possibly make her homeless and destitute? Do you think it would be easy to get another job after being fired from a network show. The whole time she was on the show, she did no further nude modeling.

P.S. I wonder how Kirk is handling his sister dancing with a man who isn't her husband every week now?

[–] rena165129 11 years ago

he even told the producers of the show "it's her (meaning Julie) or me" thinking the show couldn't go on without him. so wrong!! I remember Julie saying in an interview, "he could embrace drug dealers, or murderers, but a girl takes her clothes off and there's no redemption?" and yeah, I read about when he married Chelsea and didn't even invite his castmates or tell them!!

[–] LaraCroftLegacy 10 years ago

Which mean Kirk is a prude and bigot

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[–] TMC-4 10 years ago

Kirk Cameron is an absolute peace of *beep* and so is his sister, who also likes to shove her religious beliefs into people's faces (as if she's better than you are). His arrogant, hyper-sensitive, holier than thou control-freak attitude ruined Growing Pains and cost a lot of people their jobs.

[–] perspiringwriter 10 years ago

My understanding of it was that Kirk Cameron had an epiphany when he was a teenager that was the catalyst in him converting to Christianity. Now, personally, I think that it is wonderful that Kirk had that experience and decided to switch from atheism to becoming a born-again Christian. And it is perfectly understandable that this newfound faith would have changed him from the person that he was which probably influenced his wanting to change his character, Mike Seaver.

However, one trait that I have seen in some born-again Christians is this need to tell others how to live and make judgments on their behavior because they feel emboldened being "born again" and all of their previous sins have been whited out or deleted. So now they can start fresh and feel it is their God-given right to tell others how to live which I disagree with completely.

Kirk had a right to his opinion and to express that opinion to the producers at the time. However, I believe that his behavior was, for the most part, over the top and he has since apologized to many people from the show for behaving this way. He still has not apologized to Julie for essentially getting her fired from the show. Now, I don't know what happened behind-the-scenes because I wasn't there. All I know is that the way the producers treated Julie was horrible and the same can be said for Tracey Gold. If you know someone has had struggles with eating disorders, the last thing you do is write storylines making fun of their body. IMHO ABC should have fired Guntzelman and Marshall for that, but I guess that was a different time.

I respect Kirk's opinion then and now although I disagree with a lot of it. If he felt that the storylines were immoral, he had every right to speak up about it, but at the same time he was also an employee of the show, not the boss. He took it upon himself to behave like he was the boss and helped lead to the exits of Guntzelman and Marshall which, retrospectively, probably wasn't a bad thing. However, the way I understand it is that Kirk had much to do with the hiring of the new producers that replaced them and the general direction of the show the final season which was so bad that it led to its cancellation.

[–] TMC-4 10 years ago

I think that Kirk made a huge error in judgement in trying to merge his personal life w/ his on-screen, professional one. In essence, he felt that Mike Seaver should become more like Kirk Cameron and vice versa. Kirk seemed to forget that he was under contract and he was being paid to act. Isn't the whole point in being an actor is to successfully convince people that you can become another person? He pretty much expected that he's co-workers would adhere to his strict moral code w/o bothering to respect or listen to their individual points of view.

[–] EmilyTheDramaQueen 9 years ago

I agree. He really shouldn't have. Lisa Whelchel on The Facts of Life was also a Christian and other than not doing and also not appearing in the episode "The First Time" which was about Natalie losing her virginity, she was able to be professional and not want her lifestyle to be the lifestyle of the Blair character and Facts of Life went places that Growing Pains never even thought of going at times.

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[–] jnic7594 9 years ago

Soooo you hardly watched the show, and you don't like the show...yet you're here. Why are you here? I mean, you wouldn't even have known what people were saying on this board about him had you not come here, and the ONLY reason you would have obviously come here, given your dislike for the show, is to seek out negative comments about him and judge people for their posts. In other words, you're just trolling. Why don't you keep your opinion and let others have theirs, okay? I love this show. I don't like Kirk Cameron. He has been FAR from a moral person with his actions. If you think he has, you're just another brainwashed religious person.

[–] Navaros 9 years ago

Why are you here?

I'm here to set the record straight in opposition to the evil people who speak out against Mr. Cameron for standing against evil, because they love the evil that he opposes.

Before I came here, evil had a monopoly for promoting the message the evil is great and goodness is bad. Now that I am here, that evil message is reversed.

is to seek out negative comments about him

I certainly have done no such thing. In fact, the exact opposite is true. I have encouraged positive comments about Mr. Cameron and more generally, I have also encouraged positive comments in favor of standing up for goodness and opposing evil.

Certainly many evil posters on this board have not followed through with what I have encouraged them to do, because the evil in their hearts encourages them instead to promote and defend evil and fight and oppose goodness. But that's not my fault. I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it drink. In other words, the evil posts of people who fight against me, Mr. Cameron, God, and morality are solely the responsibility of the people who make them.

[–] momsabeach 9 years ago

OP, I am happy for Kirk but he signed up for this show as it was. He was not a writer or producer. He asked for changes and did not get them. Leave it at that

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