You - "Hey I got this idea for a hit movie! A ambitious sexually frustrated high school senior gets involved with a call girl, interesting things happen and he ends up turning his home into whorehouse while his parents are in Europe! It's a sure hit!"
Hollywood 2020 - What are you thinking? Are you insane? We are trying to make young minds believe they are super heroes and the real world doesn't exist!
You - Sometimes you just have to say "What the fuck"
Oh, I think it could be. This movie came out after the women's movement. The problem is, no one would make a film like this right now because it wouldn't be 'cool'.
"Are you insane? We are trying to make young minds believe they are super heroes and the real world doesn't exist!"
Yeah, cuz an affluent teen running a whorehouse from his home for a weekend without getting caught is just as realistic/something we want "young minds to believe" 🙄
Its a very saddening notion that people seem to be hell bent on seeking out old movies and TV shows from the past, and coming up with 'startling revelations' that they are offensive, sexist, promote drug use, promiscuity etc...well a big fucking DUH!
Its almost like they think such movies are obscure and they are the only ones that know about them.
My attitude about all such movies is that they exist, it was a different time, we don't live or behave the same way, we accept that society and humanity has changed. And leave it at that. I am not into censorship or revisionism. Let it be. Slap a warning and explanation at the beginning if you want.
But this constant faux outrage at older movies is just getting stupid.
I'm a gen Xer so I'm sandwiched between two giant generations. I was a teen when this movie came out.
The very permissive attitude towards sexuality from the boomers is slowly but surely being replaced by a more Puritan type era of the 1950's by the Millennials.
It's not just high school movies that are getting rid of sexuality in film, but pretty much all Hollywood films in general. Even BOND films 007 has no dick swagger.
It's been a bizarre ride. We can see people killing each other on screen all day every day. Even during prime time broadcast shows, but throw in a little sexual activity and it's "holy shit, we can't let our kids see that!"
I'm thinking this could be a "standard" generational swing in attitudes towards sexuality in film.
Boomers were rebelling against the greatest generation and the silent generations lack of sexuality in film with Barbarella (68). The Jazz age in the 20's was highly sexual and liberating until the "Fatty" Arbuckle affair pretty much killed it and new standards were introduced.
Some great films were still made in the 1940's and 50's so I'm still optimistic. But film without sexuality is painting with one less color.
Perhaps. But Iron Man's Tony Stark was stud bedding beautiful women until he was domesticated in later movies, and now his character doesn't even look/think about other women. In fact, NONE of the super hero characters show any signs of sexuality.
The #metoo movement and Harvey Weinstein trial pretty much put the nail on the coffin of sexuality in film, which was fast heading that direction anyway.
How long a basic part of human nature is neglected in film is anybody's guess.
The #metoo movement and Harvey Weinstein trial pretty much put the nail on the coffin of sexuality in film
Well , I can see how that might put the lid on rape , coersion , controlling behavior, bullying and bribery as a storyline (and casting routine) , but surely hollywood is aware of non predatory, non mysogenistic techniques too?
The basic sexual instinct in men that was shown in this film, WAS seen as a normal healthy sex drive in the 1980's. It has now been deemed "predatory" by Hollywood.
If you could direct me to a recent big budget movie in the last 5 years that depicts a sex drive in men similar to this movie that wasn't portrayed as predatory, I would appreciate it.
Of course not. The audience for this doesn’t exist anymore. Current teens aren’t interested in ‘80s teen culture because they can’t relate to it. They are growing up in very different times. Even the premise would fall apart because Joel’s parents would definitely have camera surveillance and would definitely be checking in on Joel.
I think a lot of movies made for that demographic today need to have a strong merchandise and franchise potential to pay for all the production companies and advertising involved, otherwise studios aren't interested. Sadly, comic book films meet requirement this precisely and so we get a neverending stream of them, and then they get rebooted.
You'd need to have a group of women who who're themselves out as part of a business plan. It needs to be empowering. Throw in some incompetent white males, make it some of them abusive. And you're set.
It wouldn't be a fun movie but that's not the point of movies anymore.