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Denis Villeneuve throws shade on Return of the Jedi


Denis Villeneuve has no interest in making a #StarWars film

• He was once obsessed with Star Wars — calling 'Empire Strikes Back' his most anticipated movie ever

• Franchise was 'derailed' with 'Return of the Jedi' — 'it became a comedy for kids'

• Dislikes the Ewoks to this day

"I wanted to take a cab and go to L.A. and talk to George Lucas — we were so angry"

"Star Wars became crystallized in its own mythology, very dogmatic, it seemed like a recipe, no more surprises. So I’m not dreaming to do a Star Wars"

https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1861867260652273999

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"it became a comedy for kids"
"Dislikes the Ewoks to this day"

No argument from me. Still a hugely disappointing film 41 years later. It didn't need to be darker than Empire or even just as dark as it but there was no need to make it so juvenile either.

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Villeneuve can go stuff it.

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"I wanted to take a cab and go to L.A. and talk to George Lucas — we were so angry"

What a load of utter crap.

The FIFTEEN year old French Canadian, with three younger siblings, wanted to jump in a taxi from Quebec and take it to LA because they were so angry Lucas had made a film for kids...

Utter b-llshit. I hate this it's cool to slate ROTJ revisionist garbage almost as much as seeing Hayden Christensen's force ghost appear!

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Most of us were kids when we saw it , whether that was when it came out , or 20 years later .

So does it matter ? I enjoyed it many times .
I've not watched it in decades for this reason - its full of teddy bears , but , I enjoyed it many times back in the day.
I was 12 when it was released

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Yeah. They're children's films.

I suspect he reacted so strongly to Jedi because he was sixteen when it was released. So, 1) he'd grown out of it, and 2) that's exactly the kind of age people choose to assert their own purported maturity by sneering at children's films. 'Ugh, this is for babies.'

Sure. But no more than Star Wars was. You just happened to have been ten when you saw that one.

That said, he's right that Jedi isn't very good.

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I remember back in the 80s and 90s Jedi was considered a real let down in the fandom of starlog, cinefantastique, cinescape/SciFi Universe etc and just generally (and when Phantom Menace came out it was like 'the worst since Jedi', 'Jedi is no longer the worst one' etc).. The negative focus obviously on the ewoks and the retred of the first films plot (with obvious bright spots being the Emperor, end duel/battles) , and it kicked off 'the 3rd film never delivers' thing that then also happened to Superman, Mad Max, Lethal Weapon, Alien, Terminator, Blade, Spiderman, XMen and later made fun of in XMen Apocalypse (ironic as that was the 3rd one/worst one in the new XMen cast series). I later noticed in like the late 00s/10s Jedi was more considered as part of the trilogy as a whole like BTTF/Indy/LOTR and its the greatest trilogy of all time (its status as lackluster disappointing trilogy end all but forgotten, until now.. )

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The problem with Jedi is that the first two star wars films are proper war films (but set in space) while Jedi traded that war theme for stuff like ewok treehouses and jabba's pimp lair.

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Good point, and the flat direction doesn't help. And for me, the ewoks themselves aren't the problem, it's the way they look and act.

I would've preferred wookies but let's go along with the idea that George Lucas wanted to show a weak primitive species overcoming the empire, did they have to wear such cheap looking costumes? They look like they belong in a kid's play or something, and the slapstick was overdone.

Star Wars and Empire transported you into another world, the forest scenes with the ewoks was the first time it came across artificial.

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the ewoks themselves aren't the problem, it's the way they look and act


Yep they were supposed to be a race of warriors who could take on the empire but instead they were fucking care bears. The original wookie concept was fine, or rather anything but ewoks.

the forest scenes with the ewoks was the first time it came across artificiat


They were filmed near skywalker ranch, proof that lucas was getting lazy and complacent. They went to the Tunisian desert in the first movie and then to a norwegian glacier for Empire, but Lucas elected to just stay in America for Jedi.

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There were no wookies left by the time Return of the jedi came out. The wookies were all defeated and all killed/enslaved by the Empire after they lost in the 3rd episode. So thats why the ewoks was the right way to go

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If Denis ever makes a movie that doesn't suck, I'll start caring about his opinion.

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