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Never seen the movie, never want to see the movie ...


But, to me this was about the era in moviemaking where almost everything pretty much turned to toxic garbage. Obviously, there are good movies still, but very few, and almost nothing original or without obligatory scenes to validate the psychopaths in the audience and make them feel ok about themselves. But, who thought a movie like this was an important story to tell? Was this the preamble to a society that pushes physical sensationalism and the predominance of emotion over reason?

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You should it’s really good!

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By your username it’s safe to assume that at the very least you appreciate the works of Tarantino, yet you post about the validation of psychopaths, physical sensationalism and emotion over reason. It sounds like there is a deeper issue underlining your disdain for a film you refuse to see yet feel compelled to lecture on. What’s really goin on?
Deliverance is an excellent film by the way and you’re most certainly missing out.

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TrentnQuarantino is likely afraid that viewing the Ned Beatty scene will trigger some deeply suppressed longings.

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Movies where you put American moviestars in danger and save them are the lowest level moron movies made.

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Yeah. Movies where European stars wallow in senseless nihilism are far better.

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Can you give me an example of a movies where European stars wallow in senseless nihilism?

And maybe answer why is it you set your replies up as if your opinions are against a ridiculous assertion? You do not that is a fallacy in critical thinking, right?

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107653/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
This comes to mind.

And your assertion does indeed sound ridiculous to me. Your statement about "American moviestars in danger" implies that you are lumping Boorman's Deliverance in with lowbrow cheeseball Action/Adventure flicks. You are sounding off from the heights of pomposity. Such arrogance merits flippant answers.

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> you are lumping Boorman's Deliverance in with lowbrow cheeseball Action/Adventure flicks.

Yep, that's a fair statement.

To me, people who lose their cool over someone disagreeing with them ( especially on matters of taste ) and then calling them names, pompous, arrogant proves them to be morons.

It is you who are arrogant and pompous when you disallow me to have an opinion, which I have backup for. "Deliverance" is a simple minded movie. It is. You may like it, but that doesn't make it something other than it is.

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How strange that you feel so powerless that you imagine my disagreement means you are "disallowed" to have an opinion. You are certainly "allowed" to have your opinion, just as I am "allowed" to ridicule it.

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You just humiliate yourself by showing your ignorance ... but I guess you have nothing better to do.

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At least I don't reveal as much of my personality in my posts as you do. You seem very determined to come across as "edgy" and you have a very strong need to present yourself as "superior".

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By your username it’s safe to assume that at the very least you appreciate the works of Tarantino,

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Whose key film, Pulp Fiction, also featured a scene of male-on-male rape.

Tarantino said he was worried about that scene passing muster with the censors but that a prison film called "American Me" had a lot more of them, so he was safe.

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Maybe you should watch the movie so you might have an idea as to why people like it?

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Maybe .... maybe not. ;-)

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It’s great and you should give it a viewing. I was listening to a pod cast last week where Tarantino was raving about it.

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So, because I used his name as a pun for my own MC handle I'm supposed to agree with this opinions on movies? I don't.

Here is an excerpt from Roger Ebert's review of "Deliverance" which from what I know of the movie I agree with ... but he rates it far too high; probably because he has to pander to the movie studios of they will not give him clips to show.

To wit:
"What the movie totally fails at, however, is its attempt to make some kind of significant statement about its action. For all of his 6 feet 4 inches and prowess with a bow and arrow, what James Dickey has given us here is a fantasy about violence, not a realistic consideration of it."

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/deliverance-1972

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I remember it to be a film about revenge and survival. If Ebert thinks it should have some great societal message for us that it didn’t, that’s his view. I was happy to see Burt Reynolds taking out the trash.

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Ebert was wrong in his evaluation in that the movie does make a significant statement involving the events thereof (no spoilers):

After the thoroughly disturbing scene the movie's infamous for, a moral crisis takes place in the remote forest where the four members of the party must vote on a decision. Lewis (Reynolds) and Drew (Ronny Cox) make their cases and the other two must choose. Count me with Lewis. At first glance it would seem that Drew is arguing the side of the wimpy moralist, i.e. contact local law enforcement and allow the courts to settle the matter. Is this the real reason he takes this position or is it simply because he doesn't want to risk becoming an "accessory to a crime"? Actually, Lewis is no less the moralist -- after all, he makes a moral judgment and unhesitatingly acts -- it's just that he refuses to risk allowing the local authorities and a potential inbred jury (likely related somehow to the hillbillies) twist his just and necessary actions into a crime.

As to Ebert's criticism that what happens is "fantasy" and unrealistic, it isn't. "Wrong Turn" (2003) is a more modern horror film that, generally speaking, tackles the same subject as "Deliverance." The problem with "Wrong Turn" is that it's full of horror clichés and cops an unrealistic vibe. Don't get me wrong, it's an entertaining flick for what it is but I was never able to buy into the story as a potential reality; hence, I didn't find it horrifying at all. "Deliverance," on the other hand, is totally realistic from beginning to end and is successfully horrifying precisely because it COULD happen.

And anyone who doesn't think that perverted yokels exist in the secluded backcountry hasn't been around much.

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I’ve often found that Ebert had trouble understanding the ideas and themes in the movies he watched. I never got his popularity and fame. That said, this movie had pretty mild violence even for its time.

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Watch it or fuck off.

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I think you make some fair points for somebody who has never seen it

The story does have a certain feeling of randomness. It's a well made movie and with good acting, but the story itself, while thrilling, is sort of hollow

We can try and project our own interpretations of what transpires, but that would, in part, require that we do part of the storyteller's job for them. Because the story as presented pretty much just seems like a random violent incident

And I guess that can be part of the "theme", that real violence is random and meaningless, but if that's what you want to tell the world then you might as well base your story on a real life case instead of making up your own fantasy and shoehorning anal rape into it

I still like the movie, because the quality of a movie can be elevated by other elements beyond just the story, but I do think that is one of the film's major flaws

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> The story does have a certain feeling of randomness. It's a well made movie and with good acting, but the story itself, while thrilling, is sort of hollow

Yes, exactly, but that is not why I have such animus towards this movie, what adds to my dislike is that about this time these violent "hollow" movies started to be a majority, each one trying to outdo the last in violence or in twistedness. Then it all moved to TV.

Also, as you say, shoehorned in some anal rape, but it also shoehorns in that ending it and I guess killing the perpetrator makes it all right? They do kill the guy right?

In other words it's complete BS, and appeals most to morons like deathbysnusnu above, whose only purpose on Earth is to support moronic movies and make moronic comments.

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I just want to pop in here and mention that it's not like they track down the rapist and tie him up and rip out his fingernails or something like that. That would be more gratuitous violence like you're talking about. (Think super rape-y revenge flicks like I Spit on Your Grave.)
In the movie, Lewis and Drew bank the canoe by the other one and then see Ed(?) on his knees with a gun to his head and two strangers talking about raping him. Lewis then shoots one of the bad guys (happens to be the one who raped Bobby) in the back with an arrow, and the other bad guy takes off running.
They don't just leave the guy's body there and hop back in their canoes (as I figured they'd do), but instead they have a huge thing about justifiable homicide, "jury of inbreds", etc., trying to decide what they should do with/about the body/homicide.

To me, that in itself made it more realistic than I was anticipating.
I mean, yes, assuming you never get raped in the woods by some strangers, and assuming you never have to kill someone who's raping someone in the woods, I guess you could claim it's unrealistic in that sense. But it was a hell of a lot more real than most of the garbage out there to which you're referring.

And you're right, a ton of movies got really bad with glorifying violence for violence's sake, but if they did that after this movie (because of it or not), then I wouldn't say that this movie is the problem or cause; it doesn't change that this movie is great for what it is.
If other people made shitty movies because of this one, that sucks. But this is still a great movie.

Hell, there were more white-water rapid scenes in this movie than violence, and those scenes were the movie's biggest standouts to me while watching it. That was some realistic shit there, not all CGId like these days.

Anyway, I hope you change your mind and consider watching it someday. It's so much more than a rape scene in the woods.

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