Michael Caine's Jack Carter - hero, villain or anti-hero in this movie?
I would more or less go with anti-hero, agree?
shareI would more or less go with anti-hero, agree?
shareYes. As far as I am aware a hero will do the right thing and try and be decent about it. Whereas an anti hero will try and ultimately do the right thing (in this case avenge his law abiding, murdered brother). Sod who gets in the way though, whether they are guilty (Eric and Peter the Dutchman), only partly involved (Margaret) or completely innocent (the two people in the car which Cliff Brumby lands on).
shareYes, definitely an anti-hero. We root for him in this particular circumstance, but at the end of the day he's still a gangland killer. We might want him to win here, but we wouldn't want to spend time in his company or his world.
shareI think they went to great lengths to portray him as an anti-hero that even the audience wouldn't root for. And they succeeded. Which is why this movie is so good
shareYeah, Get Carter is a bleak movie which I think does a great job of making gangsterism look ugly.
I heard Caine did the film as a response to The Italian Job, which makes gangland schemes look like cheeky, sexy fun.
In this film, the main character is definitely a villain, through and through. He's ruthless, and dosen't care about anybody but himself, and dosen't care how much damage he causes while he goes scorched earth on whomever he finds out was involved with his brother's murder. So what happened to him at the end was pretty inevitable, given who he was, and what he did for a loving.
share"and what he did for a loving"
You mean "for a living"?
He killed Margaret and also indirectly caused the deaths of a few totally unrelated innocent people.
And also, did he even need to kill that man who yelled that "He didn't kill his brother" only for him to yell back "I know you didn't kill him!" but proceed to stab him to death all the same?
Exactly.
shareAnti-hero. Some good posts here.
shareAs Carter himself says to a woman, about his brother, "I was always the villain in this family."
We are rooting for Carter to get everybody he needs to for revenge -- zeroing in ultimately on Eric after Brumby and Albert(who seems a poor, innocent soul right before Carter viciously kills him by knife after implying he would let him survive if he gave up information but hey -- Albert WAS in that porn film with Carter's niece.)
But in his villainy -- along the way we watch him semi-drown and manhandle one woman (who dies in the car trunk he put her in when the car is pushed by others into the reiver) and force another woman to strip before pinning her down and injecting her with a lethal overdose.
In those actions, Carter abandons being an "anti-hero"(which allows for SOME decency and heroics) and becomes very muc a villain who we watch in full knowledge that he is an evil man at heart, a ruthless killer and probably a psychopath.
Interesting: Get Carter came out in 1971. Also in 1971, Alfred Hitchcock offered Michael Caine the lead in his proposed movie "Frenzy." Hitchcock was offering Caine a "psycho role" ala Anthony Perkins in Psycho, but this one was R-rated: a modern-day London-based psychopath who rapes women and then strangles them to death with a necktie. Caine wrote in one of his autobiographies "I didn't want to be associated with that part." Fair enough, but in Get Carter we see glimpses of how Caine would have played the "Frenzy" psycho in how he mandhandles and kills women. I suppose the difference in Frenzy is that the female victims are innocent and arbitrary. The women Caine kills in Get Carter are complicit and tied to the mob.
Some years after turning down ?Frenzy" -- when when his career was ridding with flops -- Caine would take a coupla of psycho ladykiller parts....
Well put. What he did to Margaret (the one whom he injects with a heroin overdose) I found particularly evil. The way that he kidnaps her and almost casually keeps her captive for what must have been an hour or more (she must have been terrified during that time), even stopping to make a phone call on the way to where he is going to murder her. Then he quite calmly and almost casually injects her with that drugs overdose as if he is just carrying out an everyday chore (to me certainly the act of a psychopath).
Any sympathy which I might have had for him evaporated after that.
What he did to Margaret (the one whom he injects with a heroin overdose) I found particularly evil. The way that he kidnaps her and almost casually keeps her captive for what must have been an hour or more (she must have been terrified during that time), even stopping to make a phone call on the way to where he is going to murder her. Then he quite calmly and almost casually injects her with that drugs overdose as if he is just carrying out an everyday chore (to me certainly the act of a psychopath).
Any sympathy which I might have had for him evaporated after that
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And he also forces her to strip down -- to underwear -- another outrage.
Earlier in the film when he only had SUSPICIONS about her involvement in his brother's death, he grabbed her and got physical with her too (slapped her? I can't remember.)
"Any sympathy which I might have held for him evaporated after that."
Me, too. But I suppose the film was showing that being a woman did NOT save either Margaret or the one he half-drowns in her bathtub "when his rage was on." He attacked them with the same fury or cold murderousness that he did the men.
So...hero. No. Villain. Yes -- in his trade as a gangster and towards the women. Anti-hero -- oh, I suppose we all enjoyed the brutal spectacle of watching him mete out deadly punishment to the MEN.
By way of comparison, look at how "cleaned up and chivalrous" Sly Stallone plays Carter in the Americanized remake.
PS. Given his scene killing Margaret, I really don't see how Michael Caine saw the psycho sex killer in Frenzy as all that worse...