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Why 2001 is Insanely Overrated in a Nutshell


One of the biggest points of praise for this movie is the open ended last act which encourages the viewers to discuss the meaning. Ambiguous storytelling is only worthy of praise to a certain point, until it becomes so ambiguous that it loses all meaning. It's much easier to keep something completely open to all manner of interpretation than to write something with an actual conclusion which takes genuine thought and creativity. This level of open ended storytelling is simply lazy.

Special effects were revolutionary though, i'll give it that much.

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I saw this film several years ago. First of all it was far too long....3 1/2 hours! The soundtrack was great, and yes the visual effects were okay otherwise it was boring.

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It's 2 hours, 29 minutes while the initial release was 12 minutes longer. That's hardly 3 1/2 hours.

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Unless you watch it on Paramount network with "limited" commercial interruption then it's 9 hours and 16 minutes...


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lol

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2001 is one of those movies that is only understood by those who read the book. I'll agree if you only see the movie it's impossible to understand the last 30 minutes or so.

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"2001 is one of those movies that is only understood by those who read the book. I'll agree if you only see the movie it's impossible to understand the last 30 minutes or so".


The book and the film are two different works. The book is not a novelization so you can't use it as a guide.


"The shame of it is that 2001 is one of my favorite films ever, despite the ending. I watch the whole thing until the end where LSD must be used to keep up, then switch to something cerebral, like Andy Griffith".


The ending was not made for druggies.

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This level of open ended storytelling is simply lazy.


I totally agree. I argued that exact point on these boards for this film and also on The Soprano's series finale.

With The Sorpanos, Chase just didn't know how to end the series and bailed. What he should have done is had the writers who had written some of the best Sopranos episodes write the finale.

Yes, I've read how the video editing reaction shots of Tony is supposed to indicate he died, but had Gandolfini lived and they did a sequel film two years later, no one would howl that Tony came back from the dead. The ending was ambiguous to the point that Tony living for a sequel wouldn't have raised a whimper from anyone.

Now, fans of 2001 say that the ending makes sense if you read the book. OK, I haven't. I probably never will, but even if the ending makes more sense if people read the book, that doesn't absolve the writer/director of making a film that doesn't leave anyone scratching their heads. I mean, I can read Shakespeare if I want to read stories that don't make a lot of sense.

The shame of it is that 2001 is one of my favorite films ever, despite the ending. I watch the whole thing until the end where LSD must be used to keep up, then switch to something cerebral, like Andy Griffith.

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60 years later it’s still discussed. It’s still a household name. There hasn’t been a movie in the last 20 years that will be as impactful or even remembered 50 year’s from now. It was groundbreaking and changed motion pictures.

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Agreed. It's not simply one of the best science-fiction movies ever made—probably THE best—but also one of the best of any movies ever made, period.

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50 years old, still talked about. But overrated because somebody wasn't hand fed the ending and doesn't like imaginative film making.

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I agree yet it’s ranked as one of the best ever.

Now open ended is everywhere.

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I thought the ambiguous ending was justified in this case. It's about mankind encountering an alien species so different from us that we can't really understand them or relate them to anything in our experience.

Pretty rad.

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This.

Kubrick was trying to convey a process that was beyond our comprehension using techniques and practical special effects (versus then-undiscovered CGI).

The final effect was meditative.

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meditative is a good word.

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You don't need to read the book to understand the ending, nor does it have anything to do with LSD.

I first saw it when it came out, when I was fourteen, along with my 9th grade science class. None of us had any difficulty with the ending, discussing it excitedly on the bus trip back from the theater. And it's not as if we were particularly exceptional students, either; we were all pretty average, mostly B students, a couple of C students, a couple of A students.

The ending is perfect, in fact, because the protagonist is experiencing something completely beyond his comprehension. It has to be ambiguous! But it was clear to us even then that it was about the encounter with something far greater than any human being had experienced, and his resulting mental & physical transformation into something greater because of it. And the very ambiguity of the ending is what enables the film to retain so much of its power to this day, even after repeated viewings over the decades.

A big part of the problem for some viewers seeing it for the first time today is that the zeitgeist has changed. Allegory, symbolism, the film as tone poem: all of that & more was in the air in 1968. We breathed it, we lived it, we experienced it in society & in popular culture just as a matter of course. Today geek culture has narrowed imagination by demanding that everything be explained down to the last detail, that everything must fit neatly together without any room for nuance or paradox. A lot of current viewers simply want to be spoon-fed. (Not all, mind you. And there were plenty who didn't get the ending back then, either.)

In short, it's not a film to be analyzed so much as it is to be experienced. Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced? Well, some have ...

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"Today geek culture has narrowed imagination by demanding that everything be explained down to the last detail"

Nope nope nope, not at all. You clearly didn't read my post. I'm not saying every last detail should be explained, but this level of ambiguity is lazy. It requires very little effort and imagination to leave something open-ended to this extent. You talk about 'getting the ending' but you don't offer an explanation because you don't know, you just have a vague theory. Nobody knows because of the sheer level of ambiguity. It's lazy film making.

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Silly to call Kubrick lazy. He just didn't want everything spelled out with dialog. He wanted it to be a mostly visual experience.

Have you ever read the Playboy interview Kubrick did for 2001?

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MOST OF HIS WORK IS OVERRATED...AWKWARD IS A BETTER WORD THAN LAZY BTW.

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"Silly to call Kubrick lazy."

I'm calling it what it is, I don't care whether it's Kubrick or Uwe Boll who directed the film. Lazy is lazy.

"He just didn't want everything spelled out with dialog."

That's the problem, he didn't spell anything at all.

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He didn't spell, he showed, in fluid imagery that clearly depicts the encounter with the Unknown as uncomprehendingly glimpsed by Bowman, and his transformation into a higher form of humanity by that Unknown. Everything in the film has presaged that moment & is there for the viewer to see & read all along. It was so when I first saw the film in 1968 & it's still so now. The ending is understood as an experience that is ultimately beyond words, yet can be framed & somewhat grasped by words.

Kubrick isn't lazy, he's poetic. And not everyone gets poetry. Nothing wrong with that, just different innate temperaments & worldviews.

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"Kubrick isn't lazy, he's poetic."

Did you see the recent Twin Peaks revival? That scene of the nuclear bomb going off in slow-mo?

It starts in high-contrast black-and-white. It's so slow that the scene lasts fully five minutes. The accompanying soundtrack is all high-pitched droning.

I initially struggled with it, thinking: "C'mon, get on with it!"

However, as I reflected on the series, that's one of the scenes that most sticks out in my mind for its ominous sense of dread.

It too is poetic, to use your words. In fact, I suspect Lynch was deliberately channeling the similar scene in 2001.

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OK Millennial...

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