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Why 2001 is Insanely Overrated in a Nutshell


One of the biggest points of praise for this movie is the open ended last act which encourages the viewers to discuss the meaning. Ambiguous storytelling is only worthy of praise to a certain point, until it becomes so ambiguous that it loses all meaning. It's much easier to keep something completely open to all manner of interpretation than to write something with an actual conclusion which takes genuine thought and creativity. This level of open ended storytelling is simply lazy.

Special effects were revolutionary though, i'll give it that much.

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I agree completely. This movie came out in the late 60s, so I imagine those who saw it stoned or trippin’, or hipsters who liked to spout poetry, probably found it profound. The first couple hours are amazing, and tell an engaging story. Once it’s all psychedelic lights, the movie goes off the rails.

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I saw it when it came out, and we didn't need drugs to appreciate it. The finale is as clear & direct as the rest of the film; it's just that it's told visually, rather than via exposition. It's poetry in images, not words. The transcendent ending is inevitable & organic, given all that's established from the first frames of the film.

And you don't have to be a hipster to like, read, or write poetry. Rather sad that so many people believe that.

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yeh but modern greats like Aquaman had people floating around shouting exposition at each other. \S

2001 lacks that and suffers for it. \S

2001 has aged badly because no Dolph Lungrdrun with CGI floating hair plotting out the story to another character who already knows but just floats there and listens to something he already knows. \S

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I think it is movies that have not aged well. I used to go to movies at least once a week back 10 or more years ago. Now there is rarely a movie I am interested in seeing and most that I do see end up disappointing. I find a lot of older movies, and also really older movie must better.

We have way too many comic book and action hero movies ... they are all mostly the same and they are all terrible.

It is a problem that 2001 is so dreadfully slow. It is true that it does not have the gravitas today that it had back then, but it should have - it is only because all the effects are used and over-used today and there is little violence in 2001.

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I think that shorter attention spans have a lot to do with it, in that younger viewers have grown up with incredibly quick cuts & constant movement, always something to keep the eyes darting from one thing to the next. It's not their fault; this is the norm for them. But it's also an extremely restrictive, narrow way of experiencing films.

My wife & I happened to re-watch 2001 last night. The "slow" pace is better called "measured & reflective" to my mind. It's not too slow at all, but rather just right. It both conveys the cosmic pace of time & the vastness of the Universe, while also letting the viewer become immersed in the film, to not only register but experience to some extent that vastness of time & space. And of course the sheer beauty of the visuals is something to be taken in with more than a darting glance, too.

Personally, I can't think of too many films that present such Big Ideas in such a beautiful & deeply moving manner. Remember the opening narration from The Outer Limits? "You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the outer limits." That's what 2001 does completely & magnificently.

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Channeling Outer Limits ( 1963) really got to me. It was the first thing I remember watching on our old B&W TV we have as a kid. I loved that show. There was nothing to compare to it until Star Trek debuted in 1966. Then when 2001 came around in 1968 it changed my life. I didn't care about the length of the movie because it was all new and amazing to watch, and also think about.

2001 was tuned to its audience and times.

I remember when I was old enough and rich enough to buy a my own TV and VCR 2001 was one of the first movies I ever owned. BUT, I have to admit, when I watched it, it did drag and was so slow. If I watch it today in the right frame of mind I can recapture a bit of the majesty of that movie, but it is rare to feel that way.

2001 changed my life. I read the book. Then I read "The Makings of 2001" about the history of the movie. Then I started reading a lot of science fiction. Then I started reading some science, first was Carl Sagan's "Intelligent Life In The Universe". I think I was 13 or so and thought I would not be able to understand it, but it was written so a layman or kid could at least follow it.

Eventually I got into science and engineering.

I do have to go back and say I think it was all due to watching "The Outer Limits" and the stretch that gave to my imagination. While most friends that I had liked Twilight Zone, which I never cared much for, I was watching Outer Limits.

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This is a clear case of somebody needing a simple story told to them. This is by far the best ambiguous film ever. It's ambiguous as space is to man. There are key fractal elements for the audience to pick up on, making the interpretations almost infinite.

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I don't know where you get your summation that the biggest point was the ending. There's a very poignant theme revealed to us in the beginning sequence that carries over to the final act. There's also an underlying theme that ties primordial apes to modern humans as well.

The ending was most definitely vague but imho it's suppose to be that way because Kubrick has shown us that no matter how far man has advanced technology to reach a bigger Truth he ends up right where he begins. The tensions between cold war Soviet and Western society still shape the space program in this film and the hazards of A.I. are reflected in HAL 9000's traitorous actions and destroying its' masters' mission are part of the continued fact that humanity is far from perfect. As they continue to defy nature they do nothing but subject themselves to new trials and tribulations. The conflict between the Ape tribes in the beginning which was resolved after one Ape discovered technology encapsulates this idea.

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I'd say it's more difficult to keep something completely open to all manner of interpretation and still make it cohere, so that it's more than just a collection of random parts. Kubrick accomplished all of that & more, and did so masterfully & poetically. It was Kubrick's stated purpose to encourage the viewers to discuss & think about the ending, rather than spoon-feeding something pre-digested to his audience, an audience he credited with intelligence & imagination.

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you don't understand, it isn't really that ambiguous. Like many others have explained to you here, the "psychedelic" ending represented what Bowman must have experienced in his leap up the evolutionary ladder, just like the ape did thousands of years earlier. The monolith was the catalyst for both.

The old TV show "Lost" is the gold standard for a story that throws a lot of interesting shit at you before having no conclusion. THAT is lazy writing. 2001 is not.

I honestly don't understand how you or anyone can have so much trouble sussing out what's going on in this movie. It's not that complicated. I mean I'm not that smart, so is it some kind of emotional thing that keeps people from getting the basic messages from the end of the film? Of the revelation about there being higher orders of consciousness above what we know? That there may be higher powers in the universe? That life is a cycle of death and rebirth that can somehow be transcended through virtue?

The only thing really left open to interpretation was what exactly would the "space baby" do. But no other movie I have ever seen has taken such a good stab at trying to present these lofty-ass themes... so I don't care. Criticizing that would be like saying the Mona Lisa has too much yellow or some bullshit.

Compare it to the end of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" where the grand revelation from these superior beings is... uh... everyone exchanging looks of starry-eyed wonder. Duhhhhhhh.

Anyway, I think people "get" this movie just fine. You're not an idiot. But I do believe that something about its messages (spirituality, maybe?) is so offensive to narcissists that their egos are incapable of processing it, so they attack it without fully knowing why.

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I agree, it may well be a basic difference in innate personality type that creates the barrier for some, nothing more than that. It doesn't mean a lack of intelligence at all, just a different mode of personal experience. What appeals to one doesn't do so for another.

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Thanks but I don't think that's quite right. It's disingenuous criticism from people who for some reason hate the spiritual messages in this and other movies.

It's a pattern I see a lot. Like, otherwise intelligent people will just not connect the obvious dots because they hate the underlying message, and want to silence it. Like a Nazi film critic who reviews "Schindler's List" and comes up with all sorts of inarticulate, utter bullshit like "it didn't make sense," "it was poorly paced," "black and white film really belongs in the 50s," "the little girl in pink was too visually jarring," "I don't understand why the concentration camp inmates were so unhappy," "why is no one talking about how it was just a poor WWII film."

I mean, it's kind of offensive because it's a duplicitous lie. The inverse is also true, when movies with shit values (Ghostbusters 2016, A Wrinkle In Time) enjoy inarticulate bullshit praise from probably the same people. I've seen this in some people I've met, too, and it's kinda infuriating because it's... It's like something a stupid, nasty little girl would do.

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I just can't be that harsh with those who, for whatever reasons, don't or can't appreciate & love the same films that I do. There ARE different personality types, and different tastes, and different expectations among film viewers, after all. I agree, some films have more substance than others, and they often demand more from viewers than others. Those tend to be among the films that I love & cherish the most -- films with emotional, psychological depth & often with spiritual meaning -- films that I love & respect with a passion.

But I can't condemn anyone out of hand for not having the same experience as I did in viewing them. I might well argue for the importance & quality of those films, to be sure! In fact, I do. But I'm not likely to convince anyone of that if I'm dismissively looking down my nose at them. That hardly seems in keeping with the spiritual message of those films that we do love so strongly, does it?

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I'm not demanding anyone share my sensibility in art. I'm just saying that this particular film, 2001: a Space Odyssey, has a particular message -- the same way a "STOP" sign has a message. And that I think the people who fail to grasp that message are either incredibly dense, or unwilling to accept it because of some kind of emotional reason. That's all.

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You know, I think I was trying to say something similar, just from a different direction. It's definitely not a film for everyone, especially for those who don't want or like the demands it makes of its viewers. I often recommend that such viewers return to it in a few years & see if they feel any differently about it then. Some don't, some do. It took me time to catch up with some wonderful movies that I first saw when I more callow & just not ready for them! :)

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*thumbs up* :)

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"I often recommend that such viewers return to it in a few years & see if they feel any differently about it then."

I first saw 2001 in 68 at age 6 with my parents. I just remember being scared by some parts (the monolith) and put to sleep by the rest.

Years later, I would watch parts of it if it played on TV. Then years later rented it a few times on VHS and later DVD.

I always had mixed feelings about it. Like a lot of people I had trouble with the pacing and was confused by the ending. But it never made me feel hostile towards the movie.

Then I decided to buy the DVD and make an effort to have a more serious viewing. So with some patience and a glass of wine I watched it again and enjoyed it a whole lot more.

Now it's one of my favorite movies and it also got me interested in Kubrick's other movies. I have no regrets.

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You watched it with your patients?? Nice, Doctor Floyd. ;)

I agree with that assessment. I've had much the same experience with the film over the years. My liking of the film has modified somewhat, but I don't think I'll ever get to the point where I reject it.

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I corrected it. I watched with patience. I kinda like the idea of watching with patients though. ;)

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Hehe, some patients would probably get the film easier than others.

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Some viewers like movies that inspire the viewer to think and are still discussed 60 years later.

Some viewers like movies that spoon feed the plot with lots of cgi and neat super hero costumes.

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Some viewers like movies that spoon feed the plot with lots of cgi and neat super hero costumes.


Now you're talking!!!

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I think it's about mankind's progress and ascension. I don't think it's open-ended to the point where it loses all meaning, and in fact I get a lot of meaning out of it.

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