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Fellini is so over rated


Fellini is not a great film maker. He's not even a good film maker. To place him on the same level with the greats is an insult to the greats. He is completely self-indulgent. His films are pretentious, smug, and worse of all boring. He is not a visionary, but a phony. This movie is just a clear example of that.
La Dolce Vita has no plot and is exceedingly dull at a run time of 3 hours long. Gone With the Wind, the Godfather, and Titanic-- I can see as deserving of 3 hours, but this piece of triviality could have been told in 10 minutes. It's been a long time since a movie has inspired so much hatred in me for what was on the screen. I would rather be subjected to a Jennifer Lopez movie marathon, starting with Gigli than to go through another viewing of this never ending tortuous meaningless journey through Marcello's vapid existence. In fact, throw in a Ben Affleck marathon while you are at it starting with Surving Christmas and I'd still gladly take that torture then another Fellini "classic." I've tried to like Fellini and this about the fifth movie I've seen of his and I'm sorry but he is not brilliant. Fellini should take lessons from Goddard on what a cool movie is supposed to be like.

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Titanic is a nice commercial film, that is, a product of mass consumption (like coke and hamburgers). La Dolce Vita is an artistic film, that is, a product for an art-educated audience. Showing art films to the masses is like giving daisies to the pigs.

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Having heard so much about this film, and having heard it frequently described as a 'classic', I had expected it to be slightly better than it was. Even by about 20 minutes in, my attention wandered. Sometimes films without discernible direction work, but this is certainly not one of them. Fellini fans I'm sure will claim you have to look deeper, and try and read the subtext, or the semiotics, or whatever, but personally I couldn't see anything.
I happened to watch it after seeing quite a few Jean Luc Godard films. I think someone mentioned Godard above as an example of how to make a 'cool film', and I totally agree. Godard's early films were stylish, captivating and funny - he clearly loved film itself. And compared with the gamine Jean Seberg, I found the almost freakishly proportioned Anita Ekberg wholly unappealing and slightly clumsy to watch.
I must stress that this is just my opinion, clearly Fellini has a lot of fans, and there must be a reason his films survive until today, but to me it seems like the kind of film people claim to have enjoyed in order to seem more cultured or sophisticated than they really are.

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Ognuno ha il concetto di classico che si merita.. translated everyone has the concept of "Classic" he deserves .

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could somebody (ANYBODY!) please explain their point!

Is it just me or is imdb cluttered with people who appeal to the prodigious and omnipotent authority of opinion.

"It's my opinion that it sucks" - "well it's my opinion that it doesn't suck". Gee, thanks for that but isn’t that like saying “I have absolutely no argument, but here’s what I think anyway” ?

Fellini haters – EXPRESS YOURSELVES
Fellini lovers – Don’t just pass off the others as emotionally vapid; JUSTIFY YOUR LOVE!

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You know that you don't have to watch Fellini's films. Saying that Fellini is over rated is a lazy and petty argument. Infact your whole argument is as boring as you claim the film is.

Argument - Fellini is not a great film maker (Subjective). He's not even a good film maker(Technically anyone who makes films from the point of view of lighting, composition, character development, editing, story. Lets just say that his films are technical admired for many reasons, even on a purely objective level). To place him on the same level with the greats is an insult to the greats (people don't need to place him with the greats, they do that themselves. You reference the Godfather, Francis Ford was hugely influenced by Fellini. Watch the documentary A Decade Under the Influence and find out who is calling who great). He is completely self-indulgent (Self indulgence is something many great directors have, their personal expression is what makes them great, this is often why people enjoy their movies because they are self indulgent). His films are pretentious, smug, and worse of all boring(Subjective). He is not a visionary, but a phony(A phony, now this is the strangest statement you made- he had a vision, he realised that vision, you didn't like his vision, so he is a phony). This movie is just a clear example of that (could it be that you didn't understand this film, because thats not what I got from it, I actually quite enjoyed it).

Reasoning - La Dolce Vita has no plot and is exceedingly dull at a run time of 3 hours long (odd thing to say).

What you have to understand is that Italian films are very different from american or french films. They are often not wrapped up neatly in a tidy package like Goddards(not that I am not a fan) often are. As for Gone With the Wind, the Godfather, and Titanic these bear no comparison. Fellini, like Antonioni deals with complex emotional studies of people alienated by their environment. They require the viewer to break through the surface and find the truth. You are obviously interested in surface, to enjoy such films half of the entertainment needs to be filled in by you. Or you could watch Titanic which provides the full picture in breathtaking colour told with black and white sentimentality.

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What we're missing here is the difference between "art" and "entertainment." They're not necessarily mutually exclusive. I hated Titanic but still, strangely enough, found it entertaining while I was watching it.

As far as La Dolce Vita is concerned, my biggest criticism is that it's dated. All the things that may have seemed so shocking in 1963 seem so tame today. If it were a more timeless statement on the same theme -- rather than being so early-sixties -- it may well have qualified as a classic in my book.

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jeffoneonone, EXACTLY. As I read over this thread, I kept thinking that people are seriously confused with the difference between 'art' and 'entertainment.'

There's nothing wrong with entertainment, but they're just telling a story. As far as Fellini's films go, there are so many opportunities for interpretation, it's brilliant. If you interpret it to be crap, fine, that's the wonder of art, you're allowed to think of it what you will. And I'll continue to think that his films are fascinatingly complex and interpretting them is a pleasure.

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... in the strict sense of the word. Intelligent, yes, intellectual, not really. I've never quite understood why movies like 8 1/2 are considered to be so damn difficult on a cerebral level. I found that movie lent itself best to an intuitive interpretation - it was so damn... Jungian! And I adore it.

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Same with Shakespeare. He didn't really use his art to convey deep intellectual ideas about the world; he used whatever intellectual ideas were at hand as raw material for constructing his great art.

Absolutely agree with you there. I like the magpie image as well, but I fear it could be misunderstood and considered to be pejorative (though I know exactly what you mean, here). As my friend rosabelverde has often said (she also often writes on the Fellini boards), 8 1/2 and many other Fellini movies have a great emotional intelligence, rather than any intellectual quality. I would have to agree with that.

Have you ever heard Shakespeare being discredited on account of the fact he didn't use original ideas? I sure have - over and over. Yet I would imagine those same people would have no qualms about listening to a pop song made up of so many music samples.

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In love with movies, huh? I don't buy it!

Sometimes...there's a man.

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this is one of the funniest things iv EVER read

titanic.........dolce vita

even if someone prefers titanic, which is their opinion, for them to then claim they are some kind of authority on film while totally badmouthing fellini and even saying he is rubbish, is completely PATHETIC, and is clearly the response of a shallow and silly mind.

just because someone cant see the beauty of a film, doesnt give them the right to straight up disrespect something that anyone with half a brain can clearly see is special.

how immature to try to put down something they either dont understand or just dislike


Titanic........la dolce vita - HILARIOUS

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I'm 14, and I enjoyed La Dolce Vita thoroughly. I didn't think I would like it at first, but it was so damn absorbing that I couldn't take my eyes off of it. I also enjoyed Titanic. I've watched Titanic much more than La Dolce Vita. They're both very different, so it's obviously hard (maybe not for you guys) to compare. Whilst Titanic is memorable for certain scenes (for me), I remember La Dolce Vita for the whole film. I can say, under much debate, that I like La Dolce Vita more. I watched Fellini's other film, 8 1/2, before this. I was bored and tired while I watched it. Parts were OK but I didn't enjoy it. After La Dolce Vita, I re-rented 8 1/2. I liked it a lot. Veiwing a movie requires attention, thought, and energy. Sometimes it's not the best time to watch the certain movie you want to watch. Sometimes it's not the best time to watch a movie at all. Movies for me (two I've re-watched) include LOTR: The Two Towers (re-watched), 8 1/2 (re-watched), The Sting, and Bullit. I will rewatch The Sting and Bullit, but I need to plan it, to watch it at the right time. Patton (a pretty long movie) I waited for two weeks to watch so I could veiw it at the right time. This may be just some advice from a teenage movie freak but please, I strongly urge you to try it.

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Wow! This thread has been going on for a long time!

I'm with you so much that I can't even bare to read the responses.

The only thing i take issue with is when you want to throw in a ben affleck marathon...that's f'ed up, man!

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Over-rated describes it best.

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I finally rented it.
I thought I would love it.
I didn't.
~sigh~

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i'm telling you - take my advise.

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