Can you understand all the people here who just can't stand it? Because it doesn't seem that anyone wants to discuss it any further than "It's a masterpiece" or "It made me want to kill my family". Now I think it was a waste of time watching it, but I find it interesting that a three hour long movie that has nothing of what I love about movies can be so highly thought of. Basically, what I want is for you to simply state what you love about this movie not using words like "masterpiece", "best film ever", "classic" and the like. What is interesting about it?
I liked the movie, but from reading through this board for a few minutes, people on here are disgustingly pretentious. Liking foreign movies doesn't make you an art connoisseur who's above the rest of society.
I believe Fellini has documented what one theologian called the "line of despair," below which mankind exists apart from communion with and knowledge of God. The moral decay of Western civilization is on display; Marcello's wanderings (and halfhearted?) search (without real success) for purpose and meaning in life allow the viewer to see the decay in various aspects of society (the vanity of modern living seen in the night life Marcello and other journalists cover for their jobs -- the night clubs, the pleasures and turmoil among the "celebrity class," if you will, the decadence of the nobility as depicted by the late night party at a prince's family estate at Bassano di Sutri; as visitors and remaining partygoers walk out late at night to explore the old decrepit villa on the property, the patriarch tells his son to be careful of the bridge that leads there. "You know it's rotted." Once at the old villa, they engage in seances and assignations. Monied or not, influential or not, these people seem doomed to squander their lives.
One of the most interesting aspects of the movie is that Fellini's eye has seen it and he uses the camera to let you see it for yourself. He does not make didactic pronouncements about the vapidity and destructiveness of modern life. He arranges the flow and leads you to see what he has seen. The murder-suicide of Steiner and his children shocks Marcello and should shock us all. Even that is not enough to shock Marcello into steering his own life toward a goal.
If this film seems to be going nowhere, it is because it is about people going nowhere. Fellini illustrates through the characters' own comments and conversations. He doesn't preach at you; he lets the characters show you. You get the sense that there are a few points at which Marcello might have been rescued from this purposeless floating. He seems genuinely struck by the natural beauty of the young waitress at the outdoor cafe, the one who is homesick for her native region (I think it is Umbria). She seems more natural than the other characters. At the end of the film, when Marcello is walking from an all-night party to the sea, the same girl calls out to him on the beach across a shallow inlet created by the incoming tide. He can't hear her; the temporary inlet is shallow enough that he could walk to her, but he doesn't; he goes back the way he came with a woman from the party.
At this point, he is a successful publicity agent. Some success. He isn't happy, nor is he fulfilled. In such a brief reply, I couldn't begin to cover everything I see now in this movie. When I was 15 I watched it just to see the spectacular Anita Ekberg dancing in the fountain. As dim as is the director's view of a superficial, materialistic, spiritually vacuous society, I'm glad I found the movie again as an adult. If you could rent a copy that has commentary and view it with the commentary turned on, it might be more enlightening and satisfying to you that way; I mean, you did wonder enough about it to ask those of us who think it is a worthwhile film. Hope this helped.
I can certainly understand why some people wouldn't like this film at first viewing. I've watched it numerous times because I adore Fellini's films so take my bias with a grain of salt and bear with me as I attempt to explain to you what I think of it. First of all, I loved the movie. I didn't love it like loved I Vitelloni, but I loved it nonetheless, and if I had to pick the best reason why this movie is a great one it's for the character development, particularly the development of Marcello. You've probably read this before from the other posts, but Marcello is an interesting character because of the crisis in his life: he has lost his ambition and is caught in a career he does not enjoy; he is unsatisfied in his love life and with his suicidal girlfriend Emma and consequently seeks love from random interesting woman that will never love him like Emma does (he does not love any of the women he interacts with but rather is in love with the thought of being in love with the perfect woman); his father and him are alienated from each other from the absence of a personal connection; his hero, Steiner, is an intelligent man that he envies but ultimately discovers his weaknesses, shattering his perceptions of the man he looked up to (similar to a child who discovers that Santa Claus isn't real). As these events occur, Marcello becomes deeper as a character, more developed, and more understandable. He is a character unlike any other character you will find in other films.
Another point of interest are the events that give Marcello his depth. They are extraordinary in and of themselves. Everything from making love in the hovel of a prostitute (hilariously with someone other than a prostitute), the night at the Cha Cha club, the failed orgy at the beach house, the tragedy of Steiner, the bittersweet farewell at the very end of the movie, to (my two personal favorites) the aristocratic party at Steiner's apartment and wandering through the alleys of Rome with a gorgeous movie star is fascinating and vibrantly told. Furthermore, all of this occurs within a span of 7 days split into 7 dawns, 7 nights, and 7 day sequences. Not to criticize you z10g, but just as you don't see why people like this movie, I have a hard time seeing as how some might find this movie boring. It is filmed and acted with such boundless and surreal energy that I can't describe it as anything but enticing. Each sequence is followed by yet another extraordinary sequence all taking place within a single week. The thought of that alone makes every episode of this more interesting and exciting to me. But that might just be me.
More to the point, the setting of the movie also makes it more interesting. This is set in post-war Italy, at the beginning of an economic boom and a change to a culture of modernity. This is really set at the start of a modern wave of materialistic culture that is more concerned with depicting and gossiping about the enviable "sweet life" (for which the movie is named for, as "La Dolce Vita" roughly translates to "the sweet life") of movie stars, playboys, and intellectual or artistic figures of high society than that which pertains to pre-war Italy (hence the opening scene in which the statue of Christ is leaving the city of Rome and the introduction of Marcello directly afterwards, signifying the departure of the traditional and the arrival of the modern). This sets the stage for Marcello as he believes it this lifestyle among these peoples of modern high society that will bring him happiness, hence why he envies his friend Steiner whom appears to have all of that. However, Marcello gets a glimpse of the farce when *HOLY *beep* A SPOILER DON'T LOOK AT THIS NEXT PART IF YOU DON'T THE MOVIE SPOILED FOR YOU* Steiner commits suicide. *END OF SPOILER* (apologies for the gratuitous warning). Whether or not Marcello recognizes the farce, however, is never made clear to us. I personally assume that it is not yet clear to him and it won't be until he grows older and wiser I'm sure. What is certain, however, is that ultimately Marcello is searching for happiness. He believes that the path to happiness is through indulgence in "the sweet life." But that is not so and it is obvious that he will not find happiness through meaningless rendezvouses with women who will never love him, nor with aristocrats who live lives of self-indulgence under the guise of happiness. Tragically, Marcello's opportunities for happiness are limited, since he can't bring himself to love Emma and his father is reluctant to open up a relationship with him, and he really doesn't have any true friends other than Steiner. The rest are acquaintances, failed romances, and Paparazzo. The movie ends without any resolution on Marcello's part of what it will take to make him happy, and he leaves the beach and the girl from the restaurant he does not remember continuing in his search for happiness within "the sweet life" just as he did the night before that and the night before that and so on.
The movie really is a tragedy and a satire of materialistic lifestyle and is ultimately one man's search for happiness in a modern era. It is only complex in the way it weaves each of the sequences of Marcello's week together to bring the allegory and life of Marcello to view. Furthermore, it's not a movie that can be viewed once. This film should be viewed once every couple years as you grow older and as you change. With age, I think, comes a greater understanding of this film.
Personally, based on all of that (rambling), I find the movie to be an exceptional work of cinema and a very unique form of storytelling that makes it wondrous. I'll admit, however, that I also enjoyed it because I saw a bit of myself in it. I work in criminal justice, but my true passion is film. Consequently, when Steiner, referring to his career, stated "I'm too serious to be an amateur, but not serious enough to be a professional" it struck a very personal chord with me and the film seemed to instantly click with me. I have had very similar experiences with most of Fellini's films, especially I Vitelloni, which is why I love them so much. My point is that when you watch this film it's important to find something of yourself in it, just as you should with any Fellini film because they are such introspective and emotional films. Naturally, it is a matter of taste and if you don't like it, don't sweat it. I just hope this helps you understand why I (and possibly others that i don't wish to speak for) find this movie to be as great as we claim it to be.
Anyways, if you read all of that, I hope it was helpful (and thank you for reading all of it) and I hope you watch the movie again because it is my belief that it deserves the title of "classic cinema."
P.S. Oh and as for those of you who criticized and condescended to z10g for not liking the film, condescending to him isn't going to get him excited for it again so quit being snobs and simply why you love the film and not why you think he's at fault for not loving it. YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
I think it's simply a matter of taste; and what you're used to see in the cinema. If one hasn't seen "film-modernism" of the 1960's, one can be sure not to understand La dolce vita. However, I've met several people who know their Nouvelle Vague, novi-film, Godard, Antonioni etc. So I'd say it's most all a matter of taste. I myself rank La dolce vita as my third favourite by Fellini (the first being Nights of Cabiria and the second La strada).
What makes it interesting/Why do I love La dolce vita?
I think La dolce vita is the most observant film made about the new world of thw 1960's: the fragility of elusive relationships; the lack of profound consciousness and the sweetness of life. It is an epic study of the society of the 1960's, to put it briefly.
Of course, you don't have to like La dolce vita but it would be essential to understand why some do and I believe it would be quite juvenile to form opinions about a film based on "nothing happens in it" and so on. Nothing happens in the plays of Samuel Beckett but they're universally praised. I guess an important realization is that nothing happens and everything happens. Another reason why people might not like the film is that it is so full of everything. For the emotion of abundance might lead to regardless denial.
I'm responding to a number of posts in this thread:
Fans of the film, tell me what specifically in the film shows (or in some cases, tell me specifically the way the film shows):
* "a society in crisis"/"a society in decay" * "a series of comparative panels that comment upon and develop one another" * "characters [that] are multi-layered . . . and leap out of the screen as three-dimensional living archetypes" * "hilarious satire" * "tragic explanation" * "The contradictions & supreficiality of religion" * "the contradictions & superficiality of everyday life" * "the vacuity of modern life" * "the inability to accomplish one's goals in the face of eternal distractions" * "emptiness in the things we do accomplish" * "the constant struggle that Marcello experiences between Emma and the 'scene.'" * "relationships, narcissism, the struggle between fleeting pleasure and true happiness, etc." * "the meaning of life"/"the whole world 'seeming meaningless'" * "people that don't know how to live anymore" * "[fighting] for being like ourselves, and not to be like the other's want us to be" * "a man . . . searching for content in his life" * "Maddelena . . . [being] too elusive for [Marcello]to grasp."
. . . there are more in other posts, but that's a start.
Because I do not agree that any of those things are actually in the film. I think that rather those things are in your head in response to the film, but in the sense of seeing a light in the sky and saying that it's not only an alien, but a commentary on man's connection to the universe, etc. . . . when it was just a streetlight.
And by the way, I LOVE "film as film", yet I hate this film. I don't have ADD though. ;-)
Also, the vast majority of that stuff that people are commenting on it not at all about the film AS A FILM. It's about liking the ideas folks are interpreting into the film. Films have to work on a formal level. I disagree that liking a set of ideas is enough for the film itself to be good. And for me, this one does not work on that formal level.
"Practically every scene in the film deals with this idea. Marcello pursues a coptor carrying a statue of Jesus, but he’s more interested in putting the make on girls on a rooftop, who are more interested in him than the Jesus."
And what about it? How is that a society in crisis or in decay?? First off, it's not showing a society. It's showing those characters. It's telling us something about them. But how is it even those characters in crisis? That seems completely arbitrary.
"Maddelena has sex with Marcello in the hooker’s house, which is so flooded they have to walk to the bedroom across a makeshift path of boards."
Yes, and again, how is that a society in crisis or in decay?? (With the same additional comments.)
I won't just say the same answer for every thing you bring up in that part. You get the idea, but:
"Most dramatically Steiner, the picture of the “perfect Roman,” shoots himself and his two children."
That is a particular character who has a problem. Not an entire society. Mental problems, suicide, etc. are also not some new phenomenon, by the way.
"Maddelene is the one he thinks he loves, but Sylvia is his “perfect woman,” while Emma is the one he has who loves him to distraction but he can’t stand her, and Paola (the little girl at the beach) is his “better self” whom he can neither comprehend nor desire."
By the way, the film does NOT say (unless it's in the Italian dialogue and it was poorly translated for the English subtitles) that "he thinks he loves" Maddelene, that he can't stand Emma, that Paola is his better self whom he can neither comprehend nor desire (and I don't recall if it said that he thought Sylvia was a perfect woman or not)--you're rather reading that into the film, it's your interpretation. But anyway, for the point you're addressing, let's pretend that the film actually says those things. The problem is that you're not addressing what I'm asking. I want to know how the film itself has scenes commenting upon another scene, not how you can read that into the film if you so wish. My point is that people are saying that the film itself contains things that it doesn't actually contain.
"a serious thinker who’s allowed himself to be distracted"
The film does not show him to be a "serious thinker", or an idealist, or anything like that. You're reading this into the film. I'm not asking for your interpretation, which is all that you're giving me. I've got mounds of that in the thread. You didn't understand my post. I'm asking for how the film itself shows these things. I could answer each comment you made, but it's going to be the same thing over and over and over.
Try again maybe.
And by the way, maybe what this is amounting to is that folks who love La dolce vita are folks who read things into films in a very misconceived way--for example, folks who take particular characters doing particular things as justifying hasty generalizations about entire classes of people in the actual world that they believe are being represented?
Society is a collection of individuals, but not just a couple handfuls of them in Rome unless we're told that in that particular fictional world, that's the totality of people who exist in Rome. We see particular people do things in a film, not a whole society (at least not usually).
Do they seem content to you? Do they seem satisfied with their conditions? Or do they seem to be conflicted, hungry, searching?
Neither. No comment is made about such things. That's a significant part of my point here.
Do they seem content to you? Do they seem satisfied with their conditions? Or do they seem to be conflicted, hungry, searching?
But it's one character. Not the whole society. You're committing the worst possible kind of hasty generalization there.
No film can examine every individual in a society.
Well, unless the film defines its fictional world's society to consist of only the characters shown. sure. Of course, characters could comment on their fictional world's society, the film's newspapers could comment on such things and so on. But nothing like that is shown in La dolce vita. Again, this is just my point.
*What’s going on with the “underbelly” of the society?
The film shows you nothing to answer this, and taking it to show you things to answer this is reading films in an extremely misconceived, ill-advised way that promotes making unwarranted assumptions, hasty generalizations, etc. It's very poor thinking of a type that leads to lousy philosophical, scentific, etc. conclusions in general.
Now if you want to just use the film to illustrate your own personal views, that's fine. But admit as much. Don't pretend that the film shows things that it in fact does not.
Re dialogue, there may have been things stated that I don't recall. I don't at all recall dialogue verbatim from the entirety of any film. I stated that I didn't recall some of that by the way, yet you ignored that I stated that.
I can’t do your thinking for you.
the point is just that I'm not talking about people thinking about the film. I'm talking about what the film actually shows.
Re "I undersood it perfectly", I'm sorry but I wasn't asking you. I was telling you.
You'd never stop responding no matter what I say (well, unless I were to say, "Everything you say is absolutely right, and now I love this film!"--actually, though, I'd bet you'd still find something to argue about with that response). The film means too much for you to not defend it like you would your mother if I had molested her. I have no interest in or time for a neverending conversation. I'm not going to think that this film is good (but realize that I'm a subjectivist about aesthetic judgments). You're not wrong that you think it's great. It's the way we feel about it. We can feel differently.
Empirical claims are not provable period, by the way.
By the way, I didn't say that you shouldn't think about a film. I said that I'm not talking about what anyone thinks about the film. I'm talking about what the film actually shows. Two different things. That was my point from the start, yet you still don't get it in that latest response, but yet it wasn't true that you didn't understand my point, lol.
People have their interpretations of the formal content, and whatever interpretation they have can't be wrong as an interpretation, even if it evidences that they're poor thinkers in a broader context in terms of leaping to hasty generalizations and such (such as taking 10--or even 3--people in a scene to be sufficient to generalize about an entire society). I was pointing out that people are talking about their interpretations, not content that's actually in the film. Let's realize that those are our interpretations.
Okay, put your last word in. I won't respond again. I said what I wanted to say. Arguing about it dilutes it, which I shouldn't have done. I shouldn't have responded after my initial post in the first place, as I wasn't looking for an argument, but I suppose I should have realized that as passionate as folks are about this crappy film (;-)), people would argue until they're blue.
There is this stereotype on those of us who watch films by Fellini or Bergman, Goddard or Antonioni that labels us as snobby and pretentious. While it does ring true for a lot of people, I do like to believe your average person who watches Football on Sundays, and Die Hard the next day is able to apply themselves when watching these films such as La Dolce Vita and somewhat understand them.
I believe this person you were replying to simply did not apply himself to understanding it. Does that make him inferior or at fault? I would not think so. Maybe these films are just not his cup of tea. Maybe he prefers to be entertained rather than intellectually stimulated. Neither is better or worse. I fit into both of those. Some days, you might find me watching Persona or 8 1/2 whereas other days, I might be found watching The Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
I believe a lot of other posters analysis' in here were spot on for the film, along with yours. I simply will not look down on others who could not find meaning or expanded thought on the film but understand that its not for them. I would just only recommend they give the film another chance or try to see what we all see in it. Maybe one day, he might open up to that and at least understand why we feel the way we do about these films, or maybe he'll continue to consider this a piece of crap. Take solace in knowing we do find a high appreciation for it. Am I coming off Snobby? Maybe. How about pretentious? Possibly. Am I passionate about my love for film as a whole? Definitely!
Call them “self-indulgent” if you like, but pretentious? Oh, please…to what is Fellini pretending?
Exactly, he was self-indulgent like most great artists, all about offering his personal ideas rather than worrying about pleasing all the whiners.
And a true sign of stupidity (which is very common in these forums) is when some putz calls someone self-indulgent and pretentious in the same sentence. Do these people even know what these words mean or they are just copying every other wannabe internet film critic?
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They take no responsibility for their own poverty of intelligence, blaming instead the great art which exposes it.
Yes, Ortega y Gasset had great insight on this subject. People hate art which makes them understand that they don't understand it instead of being disappointed in themselves and make necessary improvements.
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Jottzz, I think in this case you are being too kind to the poster, and too harsh on Worov here. The poster's questions/comments were either willfully contrarian and nonsensical, or they were willfully literalist and nonsensical. Worov took the time to answer the questions seriously and in detail. The poster could have responded by saying thanks to Worov for answering the questions, but poster still doesn't like the movie. But the poster instead responded with more nonsensical pseudo-arguments in essence mocking Worov, and in fact mocking the idea that it is possible to derive any sort of meaning from any work of art (apparently unless a film shows every single person in a society, that film cannot be making any point about that society. REALLY?). I do look down on someone who posts a comment on a message thread, but can't be bothered to construct a coherent argument, or is only interest in trolling and provoking arguments just for the sake of argument.
Thanks Worov, for attempting to answer the poster's questions. The poster is clearly either a contrarian who is only interested in getting someone wound up (their phrase about empirical claims being "unprovable" was a clue to me on that), and he/she had no actual interest in the film, only in getting someone to argue with him. Or, he is so fatally literal minded that the film director must appear on the screen and actually explain the film to the audience for the poster to obtain any meaning from it. Either way, he/she seems to be totally devoid of any analytical capabilities, which means they must have trouble deriving any sort of insight into any form of artistic expression. By the way this has nothing to do with whether or not the poster liked the movie. In any case, Worov, I very much enjoyed your analysis of the film that the poster's question provoked. You made your point very well.
JrnlofEddieDeezenStudies- I humbly respect that you do not care for this film. However many people do. I am one of them.
I think a lot of viewers watch this and wait for a solution- with all the aspects of this film tied up neatly at the end. That is not what Fellini did. Think of this movie, as more modern - i.e. if "Gone With The Wind" is like a old dutch master painting, like Vermeer for instance, this movie would be more like Van Gogh. People are blue, skies are green, brush strokes are evident. It is not meant to have all the problems resolved, but to rather raise questions (possibly in our own lives).
I understand this film can come off as a bit unnerving- the state we leave the main character in is in total discontentment. You asked in a post, how does this film address a society in decay? I think it addresses a part of society, and delves deeply into it. First of all the time and context must be taken into account. The 1960's were a confusing time in Italy. I'm not an expert on Italy in the '60s but from what I know, the economy collapsed as the country modernized, the old way of rural life was slowly ending, and the political system was not trusted. This is a country that less than two decades before beat their dictator to death for his crimes. Socialism was a huge question- movies like "Il Postino" addresses this. And whole classes of people were displaced and either had to evolve or had to die, more or less- watch Passolini's "Accatone" for more on this.
The satire is apparent from the start. Fellini is a Roman Catholic. Catholics believe that one day Christ will come down from the sky and bring heaven on earth- the end of the world, so to speak. The movie starts with Christ coming from the heavens, only goes to a roof top full of girls in bikinis. In Fellini's movies, it's not what the character experiences that's important, it's what is in the frame that is. So, in my opinion, the beginning sets up the movie perfectly- Christ is coming from the Heavens, but we don't care- we only care about the girls in bikinis.
Fellini is Marcello in this movie- or Marcello is what Fellini thinks of himself. I admit the film is unnerving in respect to the fact that Fellini does a great job of critiquing La Dolce Vita, the sweet life, but does not give the main character a solution. That's because Fellini himself was that way! He lived La Dolce Vita- accepted it. He never felt satisfied with his work, was a womanizer, etc. watch "8 1/2". Fellini, like Marcello, simply shrugs his shoulders and brushes it all off, like the Marcello did at the end of the movie.
I wouldn't say I loved the film, but I did enjoy it (I gave it an 8/10 rating), for the following reasons (in no particular order):
1. I enjoyed listening to the music. 2. I enjoyed seeing the beauty of the actors/actresses. 3. I enjoyed watching the existential struggle of someone who basically had everything and appreciated very little, if anything, in his life. It confirmed for me that those pursuits, in and of themselves, are pointless and unsatisfying. (For me, Emma's character expressed that sentiment directly, in the scene where she's hollering at Marcello on the deserted road late at night.) I don't know any other film that makes that point better than La Dolce Vita. I also liked the way Marcello's character played off of Steiner's character; they were different, yet in some ways, the same. 4. I enjoyed, for lack of a better term, the energy of the film. 5. I enjoyed how the various seemingly disconnected vignettes stimulated me just around the conscious/subconscious level, coming together in some non-linear way, which I found more powerful than a more straight-forward, logical storyline approach. So in simple terms -- it moved me in a way that was different than a lot of other films trying to "say" the same thing.
I don't know if that's the most elaborate way of stating my reasons for liking the film, but those are the stripped down "bullets" of why I liked it.
"Love isn't what you say or how you feel, it's what you DO". (The Last Kiss)