i know what your thinking they have no comparison and the reason im asking is because i want to get the critirion of both of them but can only get one i havnt watched any of them i just i want to know yall guys opinion on which ones better
Although 8 1/2 may be more intellectually sophisticated I prefer The 7th Seal. It aroused a combination of strong emotional response and stillness that I have never felt watching any other film.
Both are great films, but I feel 8 1/2 has some flaws...The Seventh Seal is an unmistakable masterpiece. I would add though, 8 1/2 has the better script, maybe the best one ever written.
Why the Criterion editions? Rent both and make your own decision. You can't have a name like moviegeek2000 and go about asking questions such as this, friend. For what its worth, most Italian cinema is horribly overrated. Go with Bergman.
I prefer Seventh Seal all around but both films are good, I think 8 1/2 is very confusing on a first watch due to its fast pace and constant dialogue (unless you speak fluent Italian)
I agree, 8 1/2 was hard to appreciate upon first watch if you don't speak Italian. The fast dialogue forces you to spend more time reading than appreciating the surrealist visuals.
"Why the Criterion editions" -- the Madman release of 8 1/2 is absolutely terrible. Hardcoded subtitles, above the letterbox line. Any scene with sunlight washes the subtitles away, you have to pause and turn the contrast up to read them. Yuck.
I would say Det Sjunde Inseglet is better, but personally, 8 1/2 had more in it for me to enjoy. I prefer Bergman to Fellini, but things like Det Sjunde Inseglet and Nattvardsgasterna deal with themes I don't have any personal investment in, so they don't have that same impact.
8 1/2 was incredibly boring and not compelling at all. The Seventh Seal was simply and that's the reason it's so much more superior in my opinion. It didn't have to have confusing images and it never went, "omg, look at this!!! Aren't we deep???" like 8 1/2 did....
For me 8 1/2 wins by miles. I don't think 8 1/2 warrants the stigma "intellectual masturbation" any more than the Seventh Seal which is, in my opinion, much more tactless in the way it makes its points. I'm not saying that I don't like Seventh Seal, but 8 1/2 is a wonderfully crafted surrealist journey that resonated both intellectually and emotionally with me, more so than Bergman's film did. I guess 8 1/2 is much more abstract, but as a film it's just better.
While 8 1/2 is the best film ever made, the Seven Seal is also very good. Most of you seem to prefer the Seventh Seal because it is simple, easy to understand and can claim to like intellectual stuff. Bergman's films may have been innovative then but he's very outdated now. A truly great and innovative film dazzles people of all ages and time periods and that movie is 8 1/2.
8 1/2. it's captivating, entertaining, and let's be real: TIMELESS. although, i do prefer Fellini's visceral shooting style over Bergman's over-analytical and calculating lens. and before you shoot me down and say "well, wasn't Fellini a perfectionist as well?" i can say with confidence that HE WAS. but his best movies don't reflect that. true art appears effortless.