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Great Movie But I've 4 questions...


4 unanswered questions about THE KILLING:

- Who was the narrator? It seems he was not any of the players involved.

- It was shown very clearly that the suitcase had a big lock on it. How could this suitcase get opened so easily with interaction of such a small dog? I know this way the ending would be more dramatic and heartbreaking but the question need to be answered in a logical manner.

- Toward the end, when Goerge got in the room and opened fire to Val (his wife's boyfriend) and Val's accomplice, all people in the room got killed (including the 4 people involved in the robbery). It was not clear who killed who! Any idea?

- When Johnny drops such a big bag of money down the window, how come there was no police or security down there? Such a place is a good robbery target. One should expect somewhat tighter security. Do you not think so?

As robbery and prison break as my favorite types, it was a great movie suspencse and I enjoyed every minute of it. I would give it 8.3/10. It was nicely wrapped up under 90 minutes. Another well-done picture by the master Stanley Kubrick considering this was one of his early pictures.

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All right. I'll try to explain it. I HAVEN'T found any proof for what I'm saying but I think these will make reasonable answers.

1. And why do it have to be one of the heros? Like in books- often you don't know who the narrator is. He's just telling the story.

2. Well...it happened to hit the ground and as I remember there was a problem with locking it.

3. That's what I liked the most. Well...I have NO idea. But it reminded me (well...the WHOLE movie reminded me) Reservoir Dogs. Actually, Tarantino was inspired by The Killing. In RD one shot comes from nowhere (well...it is a story why it's that way cause in the beginning it wasn't intented to be like that but nevermind). It is NOT important who killed who but the fact everyone got killed ;>

4. Oh, there WAS a policemen down there ;> . Seriously, I remember the moment someone said something like "and no one noticed the bag falling out of the window". I guess there were a few cops nearby.
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I think the suitcase is definitely problematic. It is true that Johnny is shown having trouble locking it, and throws away the keys. But the suitcase opens up as soon as it begins to fall off the cart, long before it hits the ground. If I had $2,000,000 in a suitcase that won't lock, I would at the very least wrap it with twine or tape, even if I expected to carry it on board with me.

The shootout is also problematic. The hood with the shotgun drops it as soon as George shoots him, so he couldn't have killed anyone. We don't see his buddy, but he must be the one who shoots George. George shoots the first guy twice, and he himself appears to be hit twice, which is four shots. But I counted only five (maybe six) total. There simply aren't enough shots to account for all the bodies. And contrary to the previous post, it IS important who shot whom. The possibility exists that George shot his confederates, so as to keep more of the money for himself.

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That suitcase thing WAS weird. The man has loads of untraceable small bills in
his car, so he goes to a pawnshop and buys a ratty old used suitcase to shove
all that loot into. Why not go to The Broadway and buy a sturdy NEW suitcase
with some of your ill-gotten gains?

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because the guy was not very smart, as was pointed out earlier in the movie


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Pointed out how so?

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I would venture a guess as to a robbery like this has never occurred before so it never occurred to the policeman to have posts there. Just my thoughts :)

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In regards to the suitcase problem, Reservoir Dog is right. Johnny is shown trying to lock it with the set of keys to no avail, and at the very end of that scene you seem him toss them away.

But yeah, with the shootout I did think it was a little weird. George comes out and fires a shot or two at Val, and Val is only seen firing one round from his shotgun, but it killed his accomplice as well as all three of the other guys (and George eventually). I think due to the wounds shown (the holes in George and Mike's faces), it was supposed to be a buckshot spread that hit everybody, but killing five people with one shot is a real stretch at best.

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i presumed that george shot everyone, but blacked in the process and thats why its not show in the movie.

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Why does everyone have a problem with the shootout scene? There are three people with guns during that scene - George fires several shots, Val fires once with a shotgun and Val's accomplice, Tiny, may have fired a few shots as well (he's off-camera when the shooting begins.)

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Actually I have read that a squib went off early, but whatever. I will have to check on that.

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THe narrator was Art Gilmore who also did the TV series Highway Patrol. He was the best. I think he added to the drama of the film.

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When Clay pulls up outside the building where the shootout just took place, George leaves the building and crosses the road to get in his car before going home to shoot his wife. But the guy on screen leaving the building doesn't look anything like George. I was thinking, who the hell's that?

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Johnny bought a suitcase with a faulty lock. Bad move. Sure it was (the dummy) George coming out of the building after being shot. He was just covered with blood. He turned out to be the only weak link in the chain. The other guys did their jobs flawlessly. In the shootout, George shot and killed both Val and his cohort Tiny. Val fired the shotgun that killed at least 1 or 2 of the other guys. Tiny returned fire at George, wounding him and probably hitting 1 or 2 of the other guys as well. So enough shots were fired to account for 5 deaths and one wounded. It's not all that plausable, but possible. This is the movies after all.

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Just watched this excellent movie last night so I'll add my input.

lorenzb-2 is right. The suitcase has a faulty lock. It was his ultimate mistake in purchasing the faulty lock. He never should have checked in the suitcase.
Maybe he should have taken the ticket refund and grabbed a bus out of town instead.

The shootout is completely plausible. Val had a shotgun, it could have hit two people at that close range.

The narrator as someone pointed out wasn't anyone from the film but his voice and narration totally added to the suspense.

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Why empty the duffel bag at all? Why not just place it, tied and secure, into the suitcase? And for that matter, why take the plane? When he encountered as much trouble as he did with the bag-check guy, why not just hop in a car and drive off? What's the difference?

Still a great movie though.

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Not a bad idea, but I don't think the bulky duffel bag would have fit in even a large suitcase. But I like your idea about throwing the bag in the trunk of a car and just driving as far away as possible. That seems safer than flying. The police WERE watching the airport. The only way he could get caught in a car is if the police pulled him over and looked in the trunk. And as long as no lights were burned out on the car, and he drove carefully, the chances of getting stopped were small. Maybe now days you could get away with that in a movie, but in the 50s the crooks always needed to be brought to justice at the end. So...

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Yeah, that's a fair point about the crooks always needing justice back then and one I hadn't thought of until you mentioned it... The funny thing is that the way the scene is written, it's almost tragicomic which kind of goes against the social mores of the time. In that regard Kubrick seems to be making a bit of a statement, subtle though it may be.

In any event, and I don't wanna sound like a jerk, but I don't think some of the folks responding here know an awful lot about guns. Granted, I'm no gun nut, but I do know buckshot doesn't spread out as fast as people here seem to think it does. To take out as many people with as few shots as we hear fired you'd need for people to be standing single file... because the shot would literally have to go through somebody and into somebody else. In other words, it just wouldn't take people out because of the spread at that close a distance.

At the end of the day, though, I don't think the particulars of the shootout are really all that critical to the narrative. Personally, I think it may have been a bit of sloppy filmmaking, but who shot whom isn't nearly as important as the fact that everybody except George and Johnny are the only two involved in the robbery left alive. Further, there have been a ton of other completely unrealistic gunfights on film and nobody complains about those... it's called suspension of disbelief, lol.

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Yes, indeed, there are so many little and large things that don't add up, but we have to suspend belief, as you say, Praxis. Yet I don't think these were mistakes, but were stuck into the plot deliberately, so the audience would say, "Hey, why is he doing it like that? That's stupid! It makes no sense!" But it's all so well paced that you don't really care. My attention never wilted for a moment. So many caricature-type characters and yet it didn't bother me.

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I still don't see any problems with the shootout scene. I hear at least seven shots fired. There are six people in the room with most of them standing at close range.

The editing of this scene is extremely fast. Maybe that's what confuses people.

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Yeah, exactly. What do the police do after a heist? They watch the airport, the train station, the bus station . . .

Just drive outta town for an hour, catch a flight from there . . . or don't. You're safe.




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If Johnny Clay was really the meticulous planner that he was made out to be, the "suitcase situation" is the only part that plays against it. Unfortunately, it's ultimately one of the most important details. My issues are:

1. Would Johnny have really not been 100% about the size of the bags acceptable for flight regulations regarding carry-on bags? I watched it recently and the airport employees didn't say anything like "Our regulations regarding bag size have changed" or anything. Johnny just got it wrong.

2. Would Johnny have not taken a minute to check the suitcase for problems? After finding them, wouldn't he have taken steps to solve the problems? Turns out, no and no.

I love this movie, and the ending is potent and powerful, but the more I go back and watch it, the more irritated I get with the suitcase situation. It doesn't fit Johnny's MO, or the themes of "bad luck" or "trusting the wrong people". It isn't bad luck or someone else's mistake that takes down Johnny Clay. It's Johnny Clay.

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1. Taking all the money on the plane wasn't the plan as the goal was to have it all split up before they left. It perhaps should have been a plan B or plan C but it was definitely a contingency he hadn't fully planned for.

2. I would, but then again, he didn't expect it to be checked in, plus he was also in a huge hurry because the plan started falling apart due to traffic, and then what happened at the meet-up spot.

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BadSurge says > I love this movie, and the ending is potent and powerful, but the more I go back and watch it, the more irritated I get with the suitcase situation.
Well, it's four years since your post but I'll say it anyway, don't get irritated. The suitcase scene is only problematic because people seem to have overlooked or forgotten a couple of things.

1. Johnny would not have needed a large suitcase had the split of the money taken place as planned. In other words, the double-cross by Val negatively affected Johnny even though he wasn't in the room with the others. It thwarted his escape and caused his capture.

2. Johnny was thorough. He went to the airport in the morning to buy the tickets and pre-check their other bags. He was told he was within the weight limits and asked if there were any other bags. Johnny said he'd have one more and asked if he could keep it with him in the cabin. He was told he could but the agent said nothing about size restrictions. He did tell Johnny he had to check in at the counter; maybe that was his way of addressing the extra luggage issue or he knew they'd be able to assess the size at that time. Johnny had no reason to expect any problems.

3. When he bought the suitcase Johnny probably wanted something that was worn, tattered, and would not stand out as brand new or expensive. A pawn shop would be the place to get something like that. The broken lock couldn't have been a big surprise.

4. We're told Johnny was running late to pick up the bag of money. That's why he hadn't yet arrived when the other men were killed. Because he was late, he would not have had time to do anything about the faulty lock; like get a new suitcase or get some kind of cord to secure it. Besides, he fully expected to keep it with him inside the plane. Had he been able to do that, he'd have his eye on it the entire time so the bad lock would not have been a big deal.


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- Who was the narrator? It seems he was not any of the players involved.

I don't think the narrator was meant to be a person but a third person omniscient narrator. We find a narrator in at least half of Kubrick's films, sometimes as first person voice-over (The Killer's Kiss, Lolita, A Clockwork Orange, Full Metal Jacket) or third person omniscient narration (The Killing, Dr. Strangelove, Barry Lyndon). The Killing was the first attempt by Kubrick to create a God-like detachment, as if we were watching lab rats in a maze. Needless to say, Kubrick achieved this with far greater subtlety in later films. What the narrator in The Killing does achieve is creating a detached, documentary news-reel type of feeling. The narrator is unemotional and show no emotion or concern the characters: "Nicky was dead at 4:24", for example.

- It was shown very clearly that the suitcase had a big lock on it. How could this suitcase get opened so easily with interaction of such a small dog? I know this way the ending would be more dramatic and heartbreaking but the question need to be answered in a logical manner.

I don't know why Johnny bought such a dodgy second hand case with a faulty lock. Perhaps he felt it would be more inconspicuous than a brand new case. Johnny evidently didn't have the foresight to check the lock beforehand, especially since he was assuming it would be a carry-on. Was it a smart thing to do? Maybe not, but then Johnny wasn't as smart as he thought he was. Would the case have popped open the way it did in the film even before it hit the ground, and wouldn't Johnny have realized that possibility? I don't know, but this film asks us to accept that it did and he didn't, and so we are either willing to play along or not as we choose.

- Toward the end, when Goerge got in the room and opened fire to Val (his wife's boyfriend) and Val's accomplice, all people in the room got killed (including the 4 people involved in the robbery). It was not clear who killed who! Any idea?

I'm not an expert on shotgun ordnance, so I'll tread cautiously here. What I can say is that George fired his gun twice, so that would account for Val and his accomplice being dead. As for the rest of the gang, assuming that at least one other shotgun blast was discharged by Val's accomplice, then maybe, just maybe, it was within the realm of possibility if you squint your eyes just sright. This is another thing the viewer can either choose to play along with, or not, as they please.

- When Johnny drops such a big bag of money down the window, how come there was no police or security down there? Such a place is a good robbery target. One should expect somewhat tighter security. Do you not think so?

I don't know about that one. I'm not an expert on racetrack security in the mid 50's. Maybe it wasn't realistic, but then again, maybe it was. I'll take a pass on that one.


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- It was shown very clearly that the suitcase had a big lock on it. How could this suitcase get opened so easily with interaction of such a small dog?

Johnny is clearly shown struggling with the lock in an earlier scene. He does not manage to get the suitcase to close properly. As stated by the narrator, he bought the suitcase because it was the largest he could find in the store (and hence the only suitcase that would accommodate all of that cash). He perhaps did not stop to check if the lock was secure in his haste. You could argue that Johnny should've taken more time and calmly gone off to buy a more secure suitcase somewhere else. But by this point, he had begun to panic. He knows that something has gone very wrong and that he needs to clear out, fast.

Toward the end, when Goerge got in the room and opened fire to Val (his wife's boyfriend) and Val's accomplice, all people in the room got killed (including the 4 people involved in the robbery). It was not clear who killed who! Any idea?

I don't think the question is terribly important. The shoot-out is not even depicted on screen (the camera pans away). The only information we get is an unspecified number of shots in quick succession and then: the dead bodies. It's a quick narrative edit and the plot races away again. We don't need to know the precise details to understand the story. We just need to know that there was a stand-off in which everybody got shot and killed.

When Johnny drops such a big bag of money down the window, how come there was no police or security down there? Such a place is a good robbery target. One should expect somewhat tighter security. Do you not think so?

Not really. Why would anybody be expecting a bag of money to be thrown out of the window? Besides, there was a cop there. The one that was bought off to collect the money as part of the heist. Perhaps being stationed outside of the window was part of his regular beat. Perhaps this is why this particular cop was chosen to participate in the heist?

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When Johnny drops such a big bag of money down the window, how come there was no police or security down there? Such a place is a good robbery target. One should expect somewhat tighter security. Do you not think so?


Most of the people were probably rubbernecking at the dead horse on the racetrack and the dead guy in the parking lot on the other side of the track.

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The suitcase threw me at first too but then I thought about it. The question is: why would Johnny (such a smart crook who seamlessly planned this whole thing) leave it up to a cheap suitcase to decide the fate of his 2 million?

But, remember, Johnny originally goes to the meet the others in the apartment to divide up the money. But when he arrives, he finds George stumbling out from an apparent shot-out. He knows he has a flight waiting for him so he has to hurry but now he has a lot more cash to deal with then the what he initially thought he'd have, so he quickly buys the largest suitcase he can find and stuffs all the money in it. Clearly it's packed full and he even has some problems locking it. That's how the later problem of the dog on the runway occurs.

If the shootout hadn't have happened, he would have had 1/5 the amount of money to deal with and likely could have fit it all in a small backpack but the suitcase had to make due.

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