what nosferatu fans think of twilight?


Hi guys, im doing a study on vampire movies, and twilight is the main focus. I was hoping you would comment on the twilight movies, whether you like them or hate them? Also, how do you feel about modern day vampire movies their changes in convention from films like nosferatu?

thank you.

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Twilight has destroyed vampires for a lot of people.

You're on, Schrader. (Trick 'r Treat)

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I thought he was trolling at first.

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I've read the books and watched the movies out of curiosity. While I do not find them well done at all I also do not have a problem with them. It is just someone's interpretation of the vampire legend, albeit a poorly executed story. However, I have a couple friends who love vampire stories that are extremely offended by Twilight and all other trendy versions of the vampire legends. Yet, they mostly ignore the books/movies.

It is human nature to take things and to recreate them in other ways. I like that there are new, modern vampire movies and stories that come out. No one owns the rights to what a vampire should be presented as. So, I say let anyone who wants to put their own version out into the world do so. Let those who enjoy them enjoy them. A bad book/movie never hurt anyone...at least I've never heard of someone being hurt by a bad book/movie....

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Anne Rice destroyed vampires, and then Stephanie Meyer made it worse

You're spoiled now

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I don't like "Twilight", the "Lestat" films and books, or the Francis Ford Coppola/Gary Oldman and Frank Langella versions of "Dracula". I do like "Nosferatu", the 1931 "Dracula",etc. I think that vampires should be presented as evil and scary, mot harmless and benevolent. The only non-evil, non-scary vampire I have ever liked is Grandpa Munster, and that's because he's "just for laughs".

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I'm a huge Nosferatu fan, and I din't like Twilight very much. One "new" film I did like however is let The Right One In.

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Let The Right One In - amazing.

But I think that none of you should hate Twilight or Interview with a Vampire. It's just a new version. Everyone can write their own idea about Dracula. You all prefer the earlier ones because you don't like change and don't say I'm wrong cause Humans are animals too, we have insticts and we follow them and become blinded. You need to stop hating the new films. If Twilight was made in 1922 as a silent film I assure you, that would be popular and everyone would love it, it's true.

Try studying Human nature and you'll figure out what I'm saying.

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You are wrong rowanlc. Telling us not to say it doesn't in any way change this irrefragable truth. Your comments are embarassingly obtuse. I need to stop hating new films do I? Tough luck, lots of people hate those films.

Why would I like a film that has Tom Cruise and Bradd Pitt in it? They are too busy indulging their grandiose egos for me to respect them. Hollywood is just an ego scene, an industry that peddles nauseating dreams for the adolescent mindset, so no, I don't need to stop hating them.

I've studied human nature my friend, and it's inordinately presumptuous of you to believe we haven't. Humans have no truly fixed nature anyway, so your point is a tenuous one at best, and if I may say so an extremely digressive one as well.

Don't give me this "I assure you" nonsense as if you were some pre-eminent authority on this subject, especially when you have done naught to elucidate the reasoning behind your pretentious talk. What I find unfathomable is that anyone would have the brazen effrontery to claim that a person with a predilection for the works of a veritable artist like Murnau should also like pus like the films you mentioned, when, apart from the obvious vampire correlation, the film's are in many ways antithetically opposed to each other.

One obvious discrepancy is the monster itself. In Nosferatu, the monster is a far more nefarious creation than say Tom Cruise, whose performance is nothing more than a platform for his gargantuan ego. The vampire in Murnau's work of art is the embodiment of the plague, the projection of the fears of the population of post-war Germany, which also applies to the whole movie itself. Murnau was a virtuoso storyteller and his acute understanding of spacial concepts to reflect the characters subjectivity, visual metaphor, expressionist cinematography etc should be taken into account before you make these unsupportable claims and cheapen Nosferatu by comparison. Just because the films all have vampires in them is of no consequence to anyone interested in film as an art form.

You also need to analyse Murnau's ingenious use of negative imagery, time lapse photography to create the sinister, spider-like movements of Nosferatu, how he uses all the aforementioned things to constitute the film's supernatural imagery, and then juxtapose it with the methodology of today's directors of horror movies and you'll understand that your claim is abundantly inane. I reiterate, where is the logic behind your claiming I would like those movies if they were released in 1922? It's ludicrous! The differences are manifest, and just because they both have vampires in them it doesn't mean that that should be a good enough reason to respect them both!

It also behooves you to remember that Murnau was more than just some Hollywood philistine, I mean director with a keen business sense, the man was one of cinema's most painterly directors, who successfully intergrated the fine arts into his own work, like in this film the work of German Romantic landscape painter Caspar David Friedrich and Francisco Goya, or Rembrandt in Faust, Vermeer in Sunrise etc. The reason why I'm pointing this out is, of course, to expose the obtuseness of your claim that that if those films you mentioned were made back then, I'd like them, even though the films bear no relation, which can also be said of Hollywood films in the 20s compared to the past 20 years. The mentality of Hollywood filmmakers has markedly changed, and films like the ones you refer to wouldn't have been made back then, especially in the banal manner they craft films today.

Apropos the remark I just made, Hollywood cinema was a completely different place to what it is now, which is why some people look to the past for their amusement and inspiration, so your point is poorly formed to say the least. The directors in the 20s, like Murnau, Keaton and Chaplin exercised an authority over their films unheard of since, and this is perhaps the quintessential ingredient ingredient of all great art, that the artist is allowed complete freedom of expression, to make the films they want in the way they want with the people they want. Go away and study the Hollywood today and you'll see just how much the art-form has degenerated into nothing more than an industry where the filmmaking pratices are so rigidly and inflexibly imposed by philistine producers that it has no artistic worth.

You think that none of us should hate Twilight and IWAV? Or to put it another way, you think that none of us should hate what you like, which is the implication of that childish remark. I have a preference for Expressionist horror, and I abominate the kind of infantilisations we see of horror today, with their standardised fascination with gratuitous visual shocks that leave nothing to the imagination, digital photography and cgi that makes a film look less like a sequence of tableaux and more like a computer game, cliche soundtracks, and actors who spend more time cultivating their image than the things germane to the acting profession etc. I could go on and on and on and on.

I don't understand what human nature has got to do with any of this, and clearly you don't either. Your comment is fatuous in the extreme, and I suggest that in future you awaken your inert mental faculties before you come on here, instead of just using this site to exercise your fingers.





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to rhowells2000 -- i could not agree more if every word and certainly can appreciate such indignation

("DEMENTED FOREVER!")

"Eventually, they catch everybody." - Snake Plissken

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You are wrong rowanlc.

What utter arrogance. You clearly need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

I could go on and on and on and on

No, don't.

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I have no problems with Twilight, but they could have easily made it 3 films instead of 5. Nosferatu is a classic though and will probably be remembered longer than Twilight will. I prefer my vampires as psychopaths or monsters. I even wrote a vampire novel (Natural Undead Killers) about a vampire killing spree. I sort of rift on Twilight a bit in it because I named my vampire Edward and his female companion Kristen (after Kristen Stewart). Rather than being a vegetarian though Eddie (he thought of changing his name after Twilight came out) is a sociopath and their love story is a shared love of killing!

Let the Right One in was probably the best vampire film (and book) since the recent vampire craze has begun (and the US remake was also quite good and faithful to the original), and I thought Interview With the Vampire was also a good pre-Twilight vampire movie. There's nothing wrong with reinventing or humanizing vampires (they were once human after all), but at their core vampires would be natural predators in most instances I feel.

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The problem with your premise is that the original vampire stories have vampires as evil creatures born of Satan. Movies/stories like Twilight have recreated something using someone else's ideas.

"What if we do Superman but we will make him a rapist/murderer and he uses the Daily Planet sources to seek out his prey."

If Twilight was written by Bram Stoker instead of Dracula, then it would be different because it was first. However, Twilight was created 100 years after Stoker's Dracula. Dracula was based loosely on legends. And there was no legend that had vampires as "good" souls. They survive by sucking blood and killing the person.

I don't like revisionist history. I would never accept a "Hitler was misunderstood" story where he was actually trying to help the Jews.

"I hear this place is restricted, Wang, so don't tell 'em you're Jewish, okay?"

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I enjoyed Stoker's book, and several of the major film adaptations including Nosferatu, 1931 Dracula staring B.L. (though I'm eager to watch the Spanish language version that I just got a hold of and have heard is better directed), the Hammer Films Dracula with Lee and Cushing, and Coppola's 1992 version with Oldman and Hopkins. Other good Vampire films include (really incomplete and off the top of my head list): Shadow of the Vampire (which is really about film as much as vampires), Fright Night, Lost Boys, Let the Right One In, the first two Blade movies, Love at First Bite, Dracula 2000 (many will disagree, but I appreciated their new take on Dracula), Buffy the Vampire Slayer (but the series - especially first 3 seasons - was better), Blacula, The Vampire Lovers, Lifeforce, Blood for Dracula, Nightshift, My Best Friend is a Vampire, Martin. Some of those are corny, but enjoyably so, and I know I'm leaving off a buttload of good ones.

I thought Interview With a Vampire was ok, though Rice's books are much better (and they are certainly flawed) than any of the film adaptations.

My point here is that I think vampires are great monsters with horror, dramatic, romantic, and comedic potential, and each (in some cases all) of these have been unlocked by many (and many KINDS) of filmmakers over the past century and I've enjoyed seeing so many elements of the concept (really, of humanity) explored through both film and literature. What I'm trying to say is that I am a fan of vampires and many many kinds of takes on vampires and vampire lore. You'd be hard pressed to find a bigger fan of fangs than myself who isn't a goth and yet I still think that TWILIGHT BLOWS.

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I don't dislike the Twilight series but enjoyed the books far more than the first two films. Even at that, in the context of the vampire the Cullens are The Brady Bunch of the living dead. Even the villains are rather too pretty & glam rock-y. I lean toward the dark and shadowy world of Nosferatu and prefer my bloodsuckers to have that touch of evil about them.
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I'm going to watch 'Nosferatu' tonight for the first time so I'll let you guys know what I think. I have'nt seen or read any of the 'Twilight' series yet but I prefer my vampires to be cold blood monsters, not lovesick teen girl pin-ups with a conscience. 'Near Dark'(1987) is also an amazing vampire film. I'm also doing a college project for my Film Studies class based on the vampire genre. It's a comparative study of three vampire films. I've chosen 'Nosferstu'(1922), Dracula(1931) and 'Interview with the Vampire'(1994) or 'Near Dark'(1987).

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I love Nosferatu, it's the scariest vampire movie I've seen. Dracula (1931) is great too. I also really enjoyed Interview with the Vampire (never read the books), because of the suave and sexy style of the vampires coupled with their animalistic nature. I absolutely love Stephen King's "Salem's Lot," I think it's an amazing vampire story that I don't see people mention most of the time when they think of vampires.

Twilight is awful. It ruined vampires and made them sissy sparkling "heartthrobs". It's fine with me if vampires are good looking, but they need to be evil. That's why Nosferatu is amazing; the vampire is unapologetically evil and horrific.

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I hate Twilight, simply because it destroys vampires in media,and it's a really bad movie. Twilight should not be compared to other vampire movies.

I love Nosferatu, and count Orlok is the best vampire of all time. Max (R.I.P)
played that role superbly. Dracula is one of my favorite vampire movies too.

Twilight is not a real vampire movie.

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