She had surgery, so she’s post-op. Does that make her more or less attractive to you?
I must say: I’ve read stories about post-op trannies, they have to use all sorts of stuff to prevent their artificial holes from building up pus, bacteria, odor and other disgusting materials. They’re better off keeping their junk
The part that takes her less attractive to me is that he was born a male and I'm a straight dude.
shareWho cares how someone was born, all the biological changes she went through are enough to re-affirm my own heterosexual orientation as a male. Besides trans people have absolutely no obligation whatsoever to reveal to partners how they were born anyway, just like women born without a womb or uterus, at least unless they want to spend a lifetime together and have a baby of course.
shareThen there is the possibility of violence once the unwitting partner finds out the truth mid-coitus. Better for everyone just to be truthful
shareTrust me, they won't find out mid-coitus, not even gynecologists can find out their clients are trans, unless they do much deeper inspection. There are trans people who have been married for years with people who dont know they are trans. Believe it or not, it is NOT always the partner's business to know how you were born. There's dozens of things your wife would never tell you about when it comes to her body. We still have boundaries. If youre attracted to someone, it is to who they are now in the present moment, as a human being, not to a label! No one has any obligation to reveal how someone was born, because it does not define them or the sexual attraction others feel for, which is instinctual, not intellectual!
In fact based on research the great majority of trans people do not reveal how they were born to partners after sex, and I would HIGHLY recommend not to reveal it if they wish to have any relationship, because there is a lot of ignorant psychos who dont understand it. When you live in the present moment, you dont need to know how you were born, get back to reality for christs sake! Biological sex is the whole body how it is presented, all else are ideological genderings of the body based on cultural norms, hence why gendering of the body has been changing from culture to culture for centuries. What used to be considered a woman centuries ago would be a man today, and vice versa. None of it matters in terms of love, the fact it matters to some people only shows why so many relationships and marriages don't last long and are falling apart because they stand on an unstable ground. It also shows the sexism and narcissism in our society. These silly responses to my comment from a year ago might already be perfectly demonstrating this kind of decadence in this world. Pretty sad and horrifying!
And can we be surprised in todays climate when people think someone's compartmentalized body part defines their whole being or that we can ever somehow sexualize someone else, these are all symptoms of the sexism and materialism in our society where people weaponize someone's body against them for the purpsoe of control. It is literally asking for a totalitarian system where every little action is controlled by the government. This is how inter-connected this is, and some people are still completely blind to it.
Tell us you're single without telling us you're single...
sharetrans people have absolutely no obligation whatsoever to reveal to partners how they were born anyway,
WTF? No it is not rape if you dont say how you were born, please seek help if this is how you think. It is NOT always the partner's business to know how you were born! If youre attracted to someone, it is to who they are now in the present moment, as a human being, not to a label! No one has any obligation to reveal how someone was born, because it does not define them or the sexual attraction others feel for, which is instinctual, not intellectual!
The great majority of trans people do not reveal how they were born to partners after sex, i know this from research, and I would HIGHLY recommend not to reveal it if they wish to have any relationship, because there is a lot of ignorant psychos who dont understand it. When you live in the present moment, you dont need to know how you were born, get back to reality for christs sake! Biological sex is the whole body how it is presented, all else are ideological genderings of the body based on cultural norms, hence why gendering of the body has been changing from culture to culture for centuries. What used to be considered a woman centuries ago would be a man today, and vice versa. None of it matters in terms of love, the fact it matters to some people only shows why so many relationships and marriages don't last long and are falling apart because they stand on an unstable ground. It also shows the sexism and narcissism in our society. The stupid responses to my comment might already be perfectly demonstrating this kind of decadence in this world. Pretty sad and horrifying!
And can we be surprised in todays climate when people think someone's compartmentalized body part defines their whole being or that we can ever somehow sexualize someone else, these are all symptoms of the sexism and materialism in our society where people weaponize someone's body against them for the purpsoe of control. It is literally asking for a totalitarian system where every little action is controlled by the government. This is how inter-connected this is, and some people are still completely blind to it.
Of course it's rape.
There is much debate surrounding the topic of transgender people who have sex with partners who are unaware of their trans identity, and whether this is categorized as rape by deception. One argument is that if a transgender person hides their biological sex from a person who would otherwise revoke consent if they knew of their trans identity, it fits the definition of rape by deception in countries like the United Kingdom and Israel.
No it is not! It is only an arguement, it is not in the law, it is a matter of debate amongst people who are absolutely clueless! There is no deception, the same like a woman who does not say she is infertile before sex, and the partner later might consider it to be a rape, who cares, it is the partner's problem, not that woman's who did not find it important to share. Because believe it or not, for many trans people it is not important to share. If someone has a problem with that, it is their own psychological issue they need to deal with, the intention is not to deceive, the same like the intention is not to deceive when a woman has fake boobs or make-up. It is horrifying that people like you even exist. Start to understand that you can not control people around you, but rather work on yourself, each relationship is a jump into the unknown. It makes me horrified that someone even considers this a rape, what kind of a sick world are we living in, this is a slippery slope as any condition that one does not reveal before sex someone else can consider a deception and then a rape, just because of their own psychological issues and hurt feelings.
shareThere is no deception, the same like a woman who does not say she is infertile before sex,
If someone has a problem with that, it is their own psychological issue they need to deal with, the intention is not to deceive,
for many trans people it is not important to share.
the same like the intention is not to deceive when a woman has fake boobs or make-up.
It makes me horrified that someone even considers this a rape, what kind of a sick world are we living in,
*That is not the same thing at all. If I am a straight man and a dude who identifies as a woman said she was a woman, they literally deceived me. How they personally identify affects a decision I'm going to make. Can you imagine having sex with someone, then the person you had sex with says, "I'm your biological cousin, but I don't identify as your cousin"?*
YES it is exactly the same thing!!! No they did not deceive you because straight men are sexually atracted to trans women and this has been already studied by scientists where sexual orientation is determined by hormones and attracted to hormonal development, which is why sometimes hormones change someone's sexual orientation too, that is all there is to it. When they identify as women it means they are biologically women, because gender identity is biological and innate, this is how they live, they are not biological males, so they did not deceive anyone. Who you are attracted is who they are right in front of you. Not identifying as your cousin is not biological, STOP comparing this to identification with anything one can imagine, gender identity is what people are born with! This is why people like you are completely and utterly blind to the truth.
Sexual preference and gender identity are not "chromosomal", they are based on hormone exposure in utero and in early development. You can make a genetically male rat behave like a fenale and vice versa based on hormone exposure. This is why those of us in neuroscience have had real issues with "gender is a social construct" and gender fluidity. Gender roles are a social construct, but sexual preference and sexual identity are not. They are biological. Sexual preference and identity is not binary, but its defintely not "fluid" for any individual. It would be better to describe it as a spectrum.
No they did not deceive you because straight men are sexually atracted to trans women
this has been already studied by scientists where sexual orientation is determined by hormones and attracted to hormonal development, that is all there is to it.
When they identify as women it means they are biologically women,
gender identity is what people are born with! This is why people like you are completely and utterly blind to the truth.
It is not a disease! Again, proving that if someone compares it to a disease they have clearly psychological issues that they themselves ned to deal with
By forcing transgender people to disclose their history to prospective partners the law is not only infringing their human rights
it’s also reinforcing the bigoted idea that trans people are in some way abhorrent and something that people need to be warned about.
No, ironically the rapist would be you by weaponziing your issues against them!
https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2013/06/trans-or-otherwise-its-time-overhaul-law-rape-deception
gender identity is what people are born with! This is why people like you are completely and utterly blind to the truth.
No it's not and you proved it by the word "identity". In human history, zero trans men have ever been diagnosed with prostate cancer.
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Yes they are, science has proven this a long time ago, trans epop,e are born with a gender identity! Yes they are regarded as biological women by the authority of major scientific institutions based on their gender identity. Biology is the whole body, that includes gender identity. If youy're not specifically attracted to trans women, too bad, they have absolutely no obligation to reveal it to you, your ignorance and close-mindedness is not anyone else's problem.
Gender dysphoria is not a mental issue, it is no longer listed that way in the DMS, it is not a disease that spreads like STP. Your arguements are so ridiculous they're falling apart one by one.
In Canada and UK trans women are there for sex related crimes, but if you did better research, it is not after transition or diagnosis that they are even trans, just because someone says they are does not mean they are. it's not infringing on your rights by not telling you everything, but nice try. Your rights are just fine if a women did not tell you before she was infertile. For decades trans people have not been revealing their assigned sex at birth, and theyre not going to change it for you.
It does not matter how many cis men think transness should be revealed, most of their objections are rooted in ignorance, Again, no one has any obligation to reveal it, because being trans is not a disease, and pleasde dont bring in gender dysphoria, non only not all trans people have it, it is not even experienced as a contagious disease. Damn what a disgusting bunch of arguements.
*If someone had an STD and was in denial about it, would it be okay to not disclose it to a sexual partner because they didn't believe they had it?*
Another disgusting comment, STP is not the same as being trans, just like STP is not the same as having fake boobs!!! It is not a disease! Again, proving that if someone compares it to a disease they have clearly psychological issues that they themselves need to deal with. If someone is a monster like that on the inside, they clearly have issues!
Transgender people are entitled to a private life and the personal choice as to how much of their history they disclose, to the extent that our personal details are locked by HM Revenue & Customs. By forcing transgender people to disclose their history to prospective partners the law is not only infringing their human rights it’s also reinforcing the bigoted idea that trans people are in some way abhorrent and something that people need to be warned about. Again, unless you wish to live in a fascistic state, I would highly sugest you to drop it, because you're clearly not aware what kind of system your propositions are supporting.
*Then those trans people are rapists.*
No, ironically the rapist would be you by weaponziing your issues against them! I can't believe we're even having this kind of conversation.
It is a matter of time before this foolishness goes away completely, that is, if humans are meant to ever evolve. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/2013/06/trans-or-otherwise-its-time-overhaul-law-rape-deception
*If my sexuality is straight, you can't claim to be a gender you identify with because it would literally affect my sexuality.*
And here is where is the root of your ignorance, as I said, sexual orientation is to the body they possess, not identification!
I'll give you these links to see how what you think you are attracted to is an ideological concept, not the person you're with. Biological sex can be argued as being changed by trans people, because how cultures define biological sex also change, it could be based on chromosomes, gametes, genes, hormones... This is not the same as being a cousin, and identifying as something else, lol. Because sexual expression of the body exists on a wide spectrum, unlike being a cousin by blood.
Biology of Gender identity - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29605047/
Biology of being trans - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIUZed6ZIw
Beyond the binary - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIKHtMNgzrg
Why sex is not binary - http://www.scientistafoundation.com/lifestyle-blog/why-sex-isnt-binary
Here's why sex is not binary - https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/?fbclid=IwAR3QbpbgKQxlF73WsTK_SozdwQ6-uwk2_k9PtPtR8XP8G-ewud92OuXvJPw
*If someone was 25 but believed they were 14 and had sex with someone underage, what do you think would happen?*
Again, believing and identifying does not equal gender identity you were born with, it is not a matter of identification or belief, but embodiment. Hormonal changes in the body demonstrate there is no deceiving, because they are not hiding anything, what they are attracted to is what they are in that circumstance.
If trans people would have to disclose this, why shouldn’t everyone? If a racist could complain to a judge that he felt used after realising that the woman he slept with had previously had a black partner, or the homophobe object when discovering that his girlfriend had ‘experimented’ with other women at University, we could go on like this, it is a slippery slope rooted in deep ignorance, fear and control.
England and Israel are not good examples of free countries considering their history, but even these charges are often appealed to as they're not as black and white as you think. Because they are based on ignorance as you have demonstrated thinking identification equals belief, or that sexual orientation is to how someone was born and not the body they embody hormonally. There is no deception and with more knowledge hopefully everyone will get it, so we could just move on beyond this foolishness.
https://theconversation.com/guilty-verdict-in-sex-deception-case-may-be-bad-news-for-people-transitioning-to-a-new-gender-47617
quote -
"Getting legal recognition for a new gender identity takes time: the UK’s Gender Recognition Act 2004 requires an applicant for a gender recognition certificate to have been living in the acquired gender for two years. Nonetheless, once someone who wants to transition is recognised, they are, legally speaking, to be identified by their acquired gender alone.
While those living in an acquired gender role might legally be recognised by it, they might worry that they could be committing a sexual offence if they fail to declare their gender history to new sexual partners.
The case law certainly suggests they could – but there are provisions that mean prosecutions against transgender people in these circumstances would be given careful consideration.
The Crown Prosecution Service policy advises that where there is such a deception that, in addition to the general Public Interest Test, other considerations should be taken into account including the nature of the sexual activity, whether the offending occurred as a result of gender uncertainty and the duration of the relationship between the suspect and complainant.
While this certainly moderates the harshness of the criminal law, it provides cold comfort to those who may be transitioning or experimenting with their gender identity."
Yes they are, science has proven this a long time ago, trans epop,e are born with a gender identity!
Gender dysphoria is not a mental issue, it is no longer listed that way in the DMS, it is not a disease that spreads like STP. Your arguments are so ridiculous they're falling apart one by one.
but if you did better research, it is not after transition or diagnosis that they are even trans,
just like STP is not the same as having fake boobs!!!
And here is where is the root of your ignorance, as I said, sexual orientation is to the body they possess, not identification!
Biological sex can be argued as being changed by trans people, because how cultures define biological sex also change
Again, believing and identifying does not equal gender identity you were born with, it is not a matter of identification or belief, but embodiment.
If a racist could complain to a judge that he felt used after realizing that the woman he slept with had previously had a black partner,
or the homophobe object when discovering that his girlfriend had ‘experimented’ with other women at University, we could go on like this, it is a slippery slope rooted in deep ignorance, fear and control.
England and Israel are not good examples of free countries considering their history,
While those living in an acquired gender role might legally be recognized by it, they might worry that they could be committing a sexual offence if they fail to declare their gender history to new sexual partners.
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shareYeah this video here is pretty horrifying about what goes on down there post-op surgery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzbJc42UJM
Also, this is pretty frightening because by all accounts it's one of the only cases where it actually does look and sound like a woman. Had you not said anything I would have assumed it was a woman and not a man.
We're living in frightful times.