Biggest historical figure after Jesus
Columbus singlehandedly influenced the course of world history and of hundreds of civilisations and billions of people.
Jesus aside, noone else has had the same weight in human history.
Plus, Columbus was a real person. Makes him #1 in my book.
shareJesus was as real as him or you.
shareIf he was, there's no evidence to prove it. We know Columbus walked the earth.
shareThere is quite a lot of historical evidence of Jesus.
Stop reporting fake news.
I challenge you to provide even one.
shareJesus historical existence is not even remotely in dispute, other than by eart flatteners and fake moon landers.
Study some history and do some research before sounding like one.
So rather than provide any evidence your response is "if you disagree with me you think the earth is flat."
There is nothing written by any contemporary of Jesus that mentions Jesus. At BEST we have three references by writers who wrote 65 to 120 years after his birth, and none of the three references stands up to close scrutiny. All non-biblical information we have about Jesus was written by believers more than 120 years after his birth.
How can someone who was supposedly so renowned, beloved, and revered be completely absent from all histories written earlier than 120 years after his birth? The gospels portray Jesus as famous far and wide, a prophet and healer, with great multitudes of people who knew about him, including the greatest Jewish high priests and the Roman authorities of the area. Matthew and Luke both write about massive followings and congregations. If he was so famous, why didn't anyone write about him?
The area in and surrounding Jerusalem served as the center of education and record keeping for the Jewish people. The Romans also kept copious records. Moreover, the gospels mention scribes many times, not only as followers of Jesus but the scribes connected with the high priests. As for historians, there lived plenty at the time who had the capacity and capability to record, not only insignificant gossip, but significant events, especially from a religious sect who drew so much popular attention through an allegedly famous Jesus. But nothing whatsoever was recorded. There were about 40 historians who wrote during the 1st and 2nd centuries A.D., none of whom mention Jesus.
If Jesus existed we have absolutely no historical record of it. If the gospel accounts are true, we have absolutely no historical evidence to back them up. Faith in Jesus as a divine being and savior seems well beyond far-fetched when we haven't even a shred of evidence that the human Jesus even existed.
Nope, your "facts" are all wrong.
Nobody here is talking about the gospels other than you. No shit those are not historically accurate.
There is plenty of reference to Jesus not even 40 years after his death. By historians and chroniclers of those times that had a chance to live in Palestine in the same years he was there.
Again, just fucking google it.
I studied it for years in college, initially as a Christian seeking to prove he existed. Find me one contemporary historian who mentions Jesus. He is never mentioned in any history, or in any records, until long after his death. Even the Romans, who recorded *everything* never mentioned him in any records that were kept during his alleged life.
shareIt seems your studies were incomplete or superficial. I am no historian but their consensus is practical certainty of Jesus existence.
Read more about the historical figure of Jesus and you'll see what they concluded.
I accept the experts opinion, no need for alt versions of reality.
THERE WERE A LOT OF GUYS NAMED JESUS...MOSTLY IN MEXICO...BUT STILL...WHOLE LOTTA JESUS GOING ON.
shareI'm right there with you, I did the same, wanted to be a Biblical archaeologist and the more I learned . . .I had to be honest with myself. There is no way I can ever be a believer again. Education destroys religion every time.
shareI was a student in a seminary for a time, and into my 20s I was a devout Christian. It was only in college and post-grad that I began studying deeply in to the history of Christianity. For YEARS I searched for even one historical source to prove the existence of Jesus, and to justify all the errors in the Bible, but at some point I realized it was a fool's errand. They are ancient stories, made up by ancient people, to explain a world they did not understand. Jesus is no more real than Zeus or Osiris.
shareWow, I went to a seminary for college too! I wanted to use that education to go into archaeology, but after a couple of archeology classes I was worried, I knew that I was wrong, had been wrong because I had been given an edited history of reality and as it was being laid out for me I could see it.
It really sucked because up until that point, Christianity had been my North Star. I had to start from scratch with my thinking. It was painful, but once it happened it opened my mind up like someone had finally turned on all the lights. I’m grateful for it now.
My whole life I had felt like in every matter other than religion I trusted facts and logic, but when it came to religion I had to ignore truth in favor of faith. When I finally got past that irrationality, it was the same thing-- like the lights had been turned on.
shareDude, the whole concept of Jesus is a myth. Only the foolish weak minded believe all that religious nonsense, which are all fairy tales
shareAnd what do you have to replace it? Hopeless Nihilism? Nothing matters, the universe merely exists, no creator, no redemption, why bother with anything at all just suffer and die? What great and powerful thing do you have that brings peace and happiness and hope?
At the very least you could do, Let people believe in something that helps them. It requires nothing of you then to simply not engage. If you actively engage and try to put Christianity down, then you better offer something good in its place other than "Yall are all dummies, why hope, there is nothing to make you feel better, haha im so smart, im better than you, bye bye bozos".
dude...fuck off.
You have been lied to and laughed behind closed doors by the people who brainwashed you in whatever silly religion you believe in
sharesatan is your daddy.
Your refusal to answer my question only shows you truly have nothing goodly to offer in place of religion.
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