The Human Rights Watch is at least not a typical Lefty-rag, but that doesn't mention anything about Palestinians committing terrorists acts in other countries as you claimed.
In fact, your article even validates my previous points, stating...
"Most Palestinian armed groups claim to disavow the use of children in military activities, but at least 10 children have carried out suicide attacks in Israel and the Occupied Territories since October 2000. [...]
"Major Palestinian armed groups, including Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas, have publicly disavowed the use of children in military operations, but those stated policies have not always been implemented."
Vox is a Leftist propaganda rag, so obviously that's discounted since they unironically push fake news.
Your B'Tselem link actually also further proves my point. It shows Israelis have killed more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis.
A total of 6,472 Palestinians were killed by Israelis, compared to 779 Israelis.
The ICT link is interesting, because the only time Hamas pops up is in this section, which reads...
Abu Mezer stated that he intended to kill as many Jews as possible in a suicide bomb attack. He claimed he was a supporter, but not a member, of Hamas.
So it wasn't even Hamas -- just some random unhinged guy who supported Hamas. That's like saying any American who commits a crime abroad makes the American military and American citizens complicit in terrorist acts against the people where the random American committed the crime.
The Trove article is from 1968, and is literally a random Beirut militia who didn't like Jews, with one of the two terrorists being a Palestinian born in Libya -- so now you're saying Palestinians who aren't even in Gaza or have anything to do with Gaza are representative of the people who are trapped in Gaza? That's just absurd.
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samoanjoes (56876)
a year ago
"Major Palestinian armed groups, including Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Islamic Jihad, and Hamas, have publicly disavowed the use of children in military operations, but those stated policies have not always been implemented."
Just because someone disavowed something, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. 77% of Palestinians support Hamas.
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
Your B'Tselem link actually also further proves my point. It shows Israelis have killed more Palestinians than Palestinians have killed Israelis.
2400 people died in the Pearl Harbor attacks. As retaliation, the USA dropped 2 bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing about 150,000-200,000. Was the USA in the wrong because they killed more? Hint: the war ended 6 days later and the Nazis lost.
Vox is a Leftist propaganda rag, so obviously that's discounted since they unironically push fake news.
The left are the ones who are overwhelmingly in favour of freeing Palestine.
Here's an interesting fact, the UN told Palestine to support a two-state solution on two separate occasions and on both occasions, Palestine declined. The UN now says the Israeli settlement is illegal. Interestingly enough, Palestine was Israeli land before the Romans seized it. Why has the UN suddenly not allowed Israel the right to self determination? What makes this funnier is a few years ago Canada took in 1/3 of all refugees in the World. The United Nations criticized Canada for not taking enough. Weird how they think Canada should be bringing in more refugees, but not only stay silent about Palestine not taking in any refugees at all, as well as ignoring the two-state solution, they also stay silent about the how homosexuality is outlawed there. It seems to me the United Nations is favouring Arab countries over the only Jewish country in the world.
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cyguration (3951)
a year ago
2400 people died in the Pearl Harbor attacks. As retaliation, the USA dropped 2 bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki killing about 150,000-200,000. Was the USA in the wrong because they killed more?
This kind of proves my point, though. Genociding people for the crimes of a few.
The left are the ones who are overwhelmingly in favour of freeing Palestine.
No, they're caught in a quagmire of dissonance. A quantum entanglement of cognitive confusion. They are all over the place, like this article here from the super lefty CNN who labeled Hamas' actions as "terror attack:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/11/26/emily-hand-israel-hospital-reunion-sot-vpx.cnn
No different than Fox News coverage really.
Here's an interesting fact, the UN told Palestine to support a two-state solution on two separate occasions and on both occasions, Palestine declined.
No they did not decline. Israel pulled shenanigans so that the deals they originally agreed upon never went through. And after the IDF finally got Arafat out of the way, Israel claimed they were not going to negotiate with terrorists when Hamas became the predominate faction (even though the IDF funded Hamas to overtake the PLO).
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samoanjoes (56876)
a year ago
This kind of proves my point, though. Genociding people for the crimes of a few.
The Nazis weren't "a few". Without this, the the war would have continued and maybe the Nazis would have won. If someone attacks you, you return with more power. That's how war works.
No, they're caught in a quagmire of dissonance. A quantum entanglement of cognitive confusion.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-israeli-palestinian-conflict-divide/
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/12/democrats-generational-divide-remains-as-israel-battles-hamas-00121307
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/01/23/republicans-and-democrats-grow-even-further-apart-in-views-of-israel-palestinians/
No they did not decline. Israel pulled shenanigans so that the deals they originally agreed upon never went through.
" The rapid immigration rate, which was managed by the United Kingdom, was met with protests from the Arab population. In 1947, as the United Kingdom prepared to withdraw from the region, the United Nations passed a partition plan (known as UN Resolution 181) that would divide Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state, an idea originally proposed by the British government about a decade earlier. The partition plan was rejected by the Arabs, and the ensuing conflict over territory led to the first Arab-Israeli war (1948–49).?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution
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cyguration (3951)
a year ago
The Nazis weren't "a few".
How many Nazi nations were there versus Allied nations?
The partition plan was rejected by the Arabs, and the ensuing conflict over territory led to the first Arab-Israeli war (1948–49).?
Nice cherry picking. Now how about you quote the parts about the Two-State nation proposals in the 1990s and early aughts, and who was responsible for waylaying. I'm sure you'll find some way to omit the skullduggery committed against Arafat, and pivot to the red-herring that was the IDF-funded Hamas to undermine and subvert the agreements put forward by the PLO, at the time.
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samoanjoes (56876)
a year ago
How many Nazi nations were there versus Allied nations?
I don't care. If Nazis are going to rid an entire religion by killing them, I say rid the Nazis instead of killing people for their face or religion.
Nice cherry picking. Now how about you quote the parts about the Two-State nation proposals in the 1990s and early aughts, and who was responsible for waylaying.
The "cherry picking" was because it was the first one. The Jews weren't even safe in Israel at the time. I'm sure you are aware the position Jews were in at the time. The United Nations told Palestine to do it and they declined (which you said they never did).
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cyguration (3951)
a year ago
The United Nations told Palestine to do it and they declined (which you said they never did).
Except when Arafat was leading the PLO, they didn't decline, Israel did. I'd like to see how you preterition around that?
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samoanjoes (56876)
a year ago
I don't deny that. But that doesn't change the fact that when Jews were at their most vulnerable and the United Nations told Palestine to accept the two-state solution, Palestine declined. Now the United Nations is complaining about Israel occupying Palestine. Their standards are insane.
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