As Responsible Statecraft and others have pointed out, the United States has already allocated $68 billion to Ukraine, so this $45 billion would push total U.S. spending on Ukraine since the war broke out to approximately $113 billion.
that's biden's piggy bank you're insulting buddy
shareAmerican war profiteers benefit.
shareThe weapons manufacturers profit and the money will be paid back eventually.
shareWhat do you base that on?
And, paid back to whom or what?
Certainly not the American taxpayer.
It will be more profits to billionaires who will own what is left of Ukraine without the liability of a bunch of people there to regulate them or demand they pay taxes.
It's just another proxy war against Russia. We should have done what General Patton said we should do after World War II: Take Russia out while they were down. We have been paying for not doing so ever since.
shareYou are wanting to do with post-war Americans what we are doing with Ukrainians today - spending their lives like they'd want to go fight a war against Russia/USSR and die. That mentality sounds great in the media but really needs to be examined. What is going on right now in Ukraine is going to be either yet another expensive American failure that we do not learn from, or a full on shooting with with Russia that will probably end up nuclear.
Let's say we picked a fight with Russia and used nuclear weapons, and the world was not destroyed, and even that we won. How would you feel about our country after dropping the bomb in WWII and realizing how horrible it was, then using a nuke against Russia?
Honestly, I don't think I could stomach my country doing that, because it is hard enough to accept this stupid reckless gamble we are doing right now
Why would you have needed nukes against Russia? They had lost 27 million and were devastated. Do it conventionally. Are you okay with what Russia's done over the past 80 years?
shareI am not OK with what any super-power has done over the last 80 years.
But, I think you're crazy if you think after 4 years of WWII that American men and women would be up for any kind of conventional war anywhere. That is more than half the reason they dropped the bomb on Japan. Some people have watched too many war movies.
Regardless, ending Russia's vicious Communist government would have saved millions upon millions of lives.
shareProbably not, and no reason to think that.
shareGod you're an idiot. If you lived in the horror of Soviet Russia or in Eastern Europe during the horrible oppression of the Soviets, you would be telling a different story. It's so easy to be privileged and not have to even think of the horrors people have gone through either today or in the past.
shareIt's so easy to pop-off on social media and pretend you care about people with such a stupid thesis, that doesn't matter anyway. Talking about killing millions of people to save millions of people. Did you ever study the history of the Vietnam war?
shareGod, you're useless. Are your children just as inert as you are?
shareI put that brux guy on ignore about because he was a left wing conspiracy theorist accusing people who weren't wearing masks of literal murder. I took everyone off ignore just yesterday, and here he is still being a dick on every single board that I read, but he seems to now be a right wing conspiracy theorist.
He's back on ignore. That's a record.
Or playing both sides.
shareThat'd be giving him too much credit. I think it's more a case of him being an idiot.
shareYou realize you both look like complete morons and that brux guy is the only one articulating something worth reading ? Just checking ...
shareWhy thank you. I was literally the only one on MovieChat questioning this BS. Now it is finally getting out and people are finally realizing - win or lose ... everyone in the entire world except certain corporate sectors of the Western economy are losing from this never-ending war thing.
How can Americans be so stupid not to see the constant march towards treating Americans at home the same as we treat conquered peasants in the countries we have colonized?
Everything of value is cordoned off for the profit of the core power financial group in the US, but also their puppet lackeys running other countries that fuck their people over - only now we've brought that home to our own country.
Ukraine was beginning to have a democracy when the US overthrew their democratically elected leader, with the help of what can only be called a core violent group of racist Nazis.
The reason: Ukraine's President Yanukovych wanted to maximize Ukraine's financial situation by being neutral between east and west and trading and having economic ties with both the EU and the Russian Federation.
Well, he did say this in another thread:
"This is why despite the Florida governor's idiotic and ignorant ban on mask mandates in schools Florida schools are rebelling and mandating masks be worn in schools. Ron DeSantis's stupid policy is killing people and is responsible for Florida having more Covid-19 cases now than it did a year ago."
And then refused to answer why a stricter mask mandate in New York state gave it a higher infection AND death rate than Florida's. He also said non-mask wearers were literally murdering people.
That's pretty dumb.
More than a century of non-politicized scientific research has shown conclusively that masks do not prevent the spread of respiratory diseases. They are absolutely useless.
shareDiplomacy is always stop making us Democrats Warmongers we both know Desert Storm and War On "Terror" was for Oil and resources Bush was less bad then Trump but stilll he was a RepubliKKKann.
share"We should have done what General Patton said we should do after World War II: Take Russia out while they were down."
Hitler had the same strategy. Dedicated his forces to it for a couple of years. It did not work out, and probably wouldn't have for Patton, either.
Sickening ... $858 billion for Defense in the new bill ... and for what benefit to Americans? No-f-ing-thing
"The U.S. House of Representatives backed legislation on Thursday paving the way for the defense budget to hit a record $858 billion next year, $45 billion more than proposed by President Joe Biden."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-house-backs-sweeping-defense-bill-voting-continues-2022-12-08/
That is why in the news and media there is so much extreme propganda BS.
I can't believe that ridiculous BS that is in the news vilifying Putin and Russia.
In the WaPo today there was a story about how Russia is stealing babies from
Ukraine? How ridiculous is that? If there are babies that have no parents
because they were killed or left, what else can they do.
Then if you go to YouTube you can see videos of Ukrainians talking about how
every Ukrainian should kill a Russian baby because that is the only way to destroy
Russia - but what we get in our media, just like in the Gulf War talking about
the false story that Iraqis were stealing Kuwaiti baby incubators and throwing
the babies on the floor.
Every institution in the US has to be corrupted and taken over to get a solid
monolithic 1984 like totalitarian dictatorship - while day by day Americans are
disinvested by inflation and our lifespans are decreasing.
This is what you voted for right?
shareI didn't vote "for" anything...
shareYou voted for Joe and this is the result, thanks.
shareYou guys just don't get it, do you? I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT BIDEN, NEVER HAVE! I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR LITERALLY ANYONE OVER PRESIDENT DUMBASS IN 2020 AND WOULD AGAIN IN 2024!
shareThanks again for voting in a doofus that has no leadership qualities and shakes hands with thin air. thanks...
RIP - America
1776-2021
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shareHere’s how outrageous it is:
- In ten months, the United States government has spent more than $100 billion on a war in a country that Washington has long stated contains no vital interest to the United States.
- U.S. spending in Ukraine in just 10 months is double the entire Russian military budget for the year, which is $65 billion.
- The amount is more than double the average annual amount the U.S. spent on its own war in Afghanistan, which we were told -- unlike what's happening in Ukraine -- was a war necessary to protect the security of American citizens.
- The amount is over 15 times more than what the U.N. told Elon Musk was necessary to avert world famine in 2022 which was an attempt to shame him from buying Twitter instead of feeding everyone on the brink of famine.
So?
shareWhat needs to be done is to start a civil war. The leaders at the top of all the institutions are far left so they need to be ignored. An overall riot/insurrection needs to form and every local police agency needs to be on board. Which they probably will. No longer must politicians take our tax dollars and send it to a country which has no impact on us. We all need to take a stand here. Lets get it in motion
share"every local police agency needs to be on board. Which they probably will."
I don't think you're living on the same planet as the rest of us. When you see a protest, do the cops jump on the side of the people? No, right? They do their best to stop/break up the protest. Their job isn't to protect the people, their job is to protect the elites.
Thats the problem. The ones with guns aren't willing to take over. We are doomed
shareI'm not sure what the exact figure is , but somewhere around 30-40% of American citizens own firearms. We're good to go; we just need the right leadership.
sharei don't think that there could be an uprising against the government by the people that would succeed in this day and age in America like in the colonial times. Back then, the military forces pretty much had the same weapons as the masses did. Muskets and bayonets etc. Now the armed forces have much better equipment than regular people, so much of the military would have to join in the revolt for it to have any chance of success.
shareSo yea I do believe that much of our military would drop out and join the cause of the people if it were to truly happen.
However , just to keep this simple , there are over 300 million Americans and only about 1.4 million in the US Military. We got the numbers.
One military jet could pretty much wipe out any uprising. Normal folks don't have anti-aircraft weapons or fighter jets
shareCry more ))))
shareHere is what the average Ukrainian is saying these days ....
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I initially supported the war against Russian invasion, but as I saw my neighbors dying, my country getting destroyed and having to live without a job or electricity - I don't think it was worth it to hang on to these 4 oblasts (states); especially after I learned the truth that my supposedly democratic government was at war with our own people, the ethnic Russians in Donbas, who just wanted to be autonomous or neutral and left alone.
I just want this war over and I don't care about the Donbas, just end this war and let us have our lives back. This war is pointless and the more I learn the more I see my country has having been manipulated by America - at our expense, while we Ukrainians pay the price.
Dear person. You were duped by russian bot pretending to be Ukranians ))) How can you be so stupid to actually buy this? )))) LOL Like you actually brought it here as a "source" )))) No one, literally no one in Ukraine is saying this. Its like this thing was written to dumb 10 years old children.
Stop reading nazi russian propaganda people. You live in your little republican echo chamber where you read and watch only those Tucker Calrson clown, Candace Owens and few other bloggers who just repeat to you what they read on russian propagandist sites. And they do that only to spite democrats who support Ukraine. So they would rather support hitler and claim how everyone in Europe wanted to be under nazi occupation and loved it and "hitler had his reasons" or some nonsense.
Stop embarrassing yourself and your country. You are traitors of USA.
You imagine you know so much about me.
Fact is I've never watched Tucker Carlson and have no idea who Candace Owens even is.
Instead of imagining nonsense about me, go find out about yourself and why you post that kind of stuff.
…and once again…another leftwing liberal democrat spouting Nazi and Hitler at the Republican-Right.
Socialism is on the “fucking left” of the political spectrum.
From Socialism came: Communism, Fascism, and Nazism
Nazism is a form of Fascism.
Learn your history of Socialism and all of its branches and aspects.
"YOU" are the fucking traitors of the USA.
Wrong. Fascism and Nazism are far right idealogies.
If you know your history, you know Nazism brought together the ideas of racial anti-semitism (that Jews were inferior by virtue of their race, or genetic makeup) and Social Darwinism (that certain individuals or ethnic groups are dominant because of their inherent genetic superiority). That should sound familiar in the USA.
In April 1920, Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany.
Hitler redefined socialism by placing the word ‘National’ before it. Members of the party referred to themselves as Nationalsozialisten (National Socialists), rarely as Nazis. The word “Nazi” was in use before the rise of the party as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backward peasant, an awkward and clumsy person. References to “Nazi Germany” and the “Nazi regime” were popularized by anti-Nazis and German exiles abroad.
It is insane! Fuck the media, energy , weapon, pharma & banking complex.
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